HoT vs. Maul

Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
3.0 is seemingly changing the perception of Vitiate from a power standpoint. Before this, the order's champions (revan and the hero of Tython) could contend with the emperor by themselves. Now they're making him out to be a force only able to be beaten by a group of TOR top tiers and infinitely stronger than any one individual.

It is quite possible the Emperor will be engaged in the netherworld of the Dark Side. Marr thinks Vitiate cannot be defeated by normal means, so I don't think it'll be a simple lets kill him. It'll likely be kinda like the gree mission where you go into the digital world.

Originally posted by ares834
Which just goes to show how dramatically weakened Vitiate was in that battle. Revan is not only directly stated to be above the PCs but his new feat shots on anything HoT has done.

On a DS Nexus bro. Revan himself states that a stronger version of himself legitimately lost to the strike team on the foundry.

Originally posted by Lord Stark
On a DS Nexus bro. Revan himself states that a stronger version of himself legitimately lost to the strike team on the foundry.

LMFAO @ Having a mental war with his light side. Nothing suggests this.

"I cast you out! It was the only way to go on--to remain and finish what we started! You were holding me back!"
--Dark Revan (Star Wars: The Old Republic)

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
This makes utterly no sense, sorry.
1.) Foundry Revan is a far weaker incarnation then Dark Revan.
a. Weakened over 300 years of mental war with Vitiate and Dread.
b. Having mental war with his own light side self during the battle.
3. The light side incarnation fought and was killed during the battle.
2.) Foundry Revan nearly defeated the Imperial strike team:
"You barely managed to drive me away last time. What makes you think you can survive against me?"
―Dark Revan (Star Wars: The Old Republic)

"You think you're stronger this way...you're wrong."

He cast LS Revan out when he died.

Originally posted by Lord Stark
"You think you're stronger this way...you're wrong."

He cast LS Revan out when he died.

Depends on whose point of view you are going with here, really. I really wish they would clarify though.
Spirit Revan: I became weakened during the war with Vitiate, and so I began to detach myself. I was killed at the Foundry, so I embraced death and became a Spirit.
Dark Revan: He was too weak to fight the entire war with Vitiate, and so began to detach himself. He was killed at the Foundry, so I cast him out and he became a Spirit.
Spirit Revan said that when he died he still had conscience and wanted to become a spirit. This is perhaps when he nudged Dark Revan to join him, which led to Dark Revan casting him out forever.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
4/5 members consider Dark Revan the most powerful Revan incarnation.
I accept your concession on the other points though. 🙂

Depends on whose point of view you are going with here, really. I really wish they would clarify though.
[b]Spirit Revan: I became weakened during the war with Vitiate, and so I began to detach myself. I was killed at the Foundry, so I embraced death and became a Spirit.
Dark Revan: He was too weak to fight the entire war with Vitiate, and so began to detach himself. He was killed at the Foundry, so I cast him out and he became a Spirit.
Spirit Revan said that when he died he still had conscience and wanted to become a spirit. This is perhaps when he nudged Dark Revan to join him, which led to Dark Revan casting him out forever. [/B]

I think they're talking about mentally there bro. Even so, if we do say Revan Reborn>Dark Revan>Foundry Revan HoT should still be on his level based on his feats.

Exactly. They diverged at death, not during the battle.

LS Revan diverged right after death, and he died during the Foundry battle.
Though to be entirely honest, it goes down to the interpretation of dialogue.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
LS Revan diverged right after death, and he died during the Foundry battle.
Though to be entirely honest, it goes down to the interpretation of dialogue.

Yeah, I personally thought they just split at death.

Well, if BioWare didn't write a shitty story, maybe we would have known.

Originally posted by Lord Stark
"You think you're stronger this way...you're wrong."

He cast LS Revan out when he died.

👆

Originally posted by Lord Stark
On a DS Nexus bro. Revan himself states that a stronger version of himself legitimately lost to the strike team on the foundry.

Nope he doesn't. Weaker then at full power sure, but not weaker than just woke from 300 years of being camotose while mentally battling Vitiate and Dread Masters and being drained by the former.

Originally posted by Lord Stark
I think they're talking about mentally there bro. Even so, if we do say Revan Reborn>Dark Revan>Foundry Revan HoT should still be on his level based on his feats.

Not a single feat he has puts him on the level of smacking around the SoR strike team. Hell, based on feats HoT isn't even on Malgus's level anymore.

Hero was never on Malgus's level. Revan surpassing him shows how wanked and overrated he is

Originally posted by ares834
Nope he doesn't. Weaker then at full power sure, but not weaker than just woke from 300 years of being camotose while mentally battling Vitiate and Dread Masters and being drained by the former.

As I've said repeatedly, Revan had ample time to recover after his rescue. It's not as if he immediately ran off to the Foundry.

Originally posted by carthage
Hero was never on Malgus's level. Revan surpassing him shows how wanked and overrated he is

True, but certain posters tried to spin it that Vitiate was hardly weakened.

Originally posted by Nephthys
As I've said repeatedly, Revan had ample time to recover after his rescue. It's not as if he immediately ran off to the Foundry.

Originally posted by Nephthys
As I've said repeatedly, Revan had ample time to recover after his rescue. It's not as if he immediately ran off to the Foundry.

And as I said before, it's going to take more than a few weeks or months to be back at top shape. The guys was out if it for 300 years, it's going to take years to physically recover from something like that.

Plus Dark!Revan's feats completely eclipse those of the foundry so...

He must have had the worst "I can't feel my leg" moment.