Originally posted by carver9
There are a lot of pros and cons about both.WW is physically above her previous counterpart imo but she isn't as skilled or as fast.
Superman seems stronger but he isn't as formidable as he use to be and he isn't as fast either.
How is WW less skilled? If anything, her HtH skills have actually been shown in the DCNu whereas in the Pre-FP continuity, it was mostly lip-service. Hell, she fought off both Zod and Faora at the same damn time. When did Pre-FP Diana ever do that?She also appeared more formidable against both Darkseid and Doomsday than previously.
NuSuperman is stronger and a little less durable but I don't see him as less formidable. I don't see where his speed is less than his Pre-FP counterpart, though.
Originally posted by 80sBaby
How is WW less skilled? If anything, her HtH skills have actually been shown in the DCNu whereas in the Pre-FP continuity, it was mostly lip-service. Hell, she fought off both Zod and Faora at the same damn time. When did Pre-FP Diana ever do that?She also appeared more formidable against both Darkseid and Doomsday than previously.NuSuperman is stronger and a little less durable but I don't see him as less formidable. I don't see where his speed is less than his Pre-FP counterpart, though.
Skill is debatable with WW...not disagree there, everything else is on point.
Uuuuuummmm, you might want to compare the battles of both Supermen before asking this question. This version of Superman (DCNU) has more losses under his belt in one yr than Pre Flashpoint has had within a 5 yr time. Superman fans has even acknowledged this.... the difference in skill AND speed is huge imo even though current Supes is still a beast.
Also, you might want to compare strength showings of the two before thinking current Supes IS stronger than Pre Flashpoint.
Originally posted by carver9
Skill is debatable with WW...not disagree there, everything else is on point.Uuuuuummmm, you might want to compare the battles of both Supermen before asking this question. This version of Superman (DCNU) has more losses under his belt in one yr than Pre Flashpoint has had within a 5 yr time. Superman fans has even acknowledged this.... the difference in skill AND speed is huge imo even though current Supes is still a beast.
Also, you might want to compare strength showings of the two before thinking current Supes IS stronger than Pre Flashpoint.
Regarding WW, I say her DCNu version is more skilled simply because martial skill has always allowed a character to perform better against his/her peers/superiors. Pre-FP Diana rarely, if ever, appeared more formidable than any other Class 100. NuDiana, however, has showings that have her knocking around people on her physical level more consistently than in previous continuity.
True, DCNuSupes has more losses but he's also facing more formidable opponents, too imo. It's not like his losses are simply him being chumped all the time.
As for strength, Pre-FP Clark has some doozies but NuClark has a better average.
Originally posted by 80sBaby
Regarding WW, I say her DCNu version is more skilled simply because martial skill has always allowed a character to perform better against his/her peers/superiors. Pre-FP Diana rarely, if ever, appeared more formidable than any other Class 100. NuDiana, however, has showings that have her knocking around people on her physical level more consistently than in previous continuity.True, DCNuSupes has more losses but he's also facing more formidable opponents, too imo. It's not like his losses are simply him being chumped all the time.
As for strength, Pre-FP Clark has some doozies but NuClark has a better average.
Oh, I agree with you on WW. She has been beastly since the birth of DCNU. Took on both Faora and Zod, defeated Mongul and a Kryptonian together ( same Mongul who took on Superman and an amped Batman). She mid stomped Supergirl. Let's put it like this, I agree with you on the consistency but if someone were to say Pre Reboot was more powerful, I would argue against it.
I look at more than strength fts though when it concerns space cheese. I look at consistency and DCNU isn't close to being consistent like his previous counterpart. It's to the point that people don't even respond when they see a loss from him...it's just brushed off. This has never happened with pre reboot Superman. He was consistent. A loss for him was big depending on who the character was. This Supes has a long way to go before being put into DCU shoes. A long way. If i had to choose who would get the majority between these two Supes and this was based off money, I already know who that'll go to and I'm hoping your bet would go the same way. DCNU Supes is powerful but I don't think he is anywhere close to his previous self tbh.
Originally posted by carver9
Oh, I agree with you on WW. She has been beastly since the birth of DCNU. Took on both Faora and Zod, defeated Mongul and a Kryptonian together ( same Mongul who took on Superman and an amped Batman). She mud stomped Supergirl. Let's put it like this, I agree with you on the consistency but if someone were to say Pre Reboot was more powerful, I wouldnt argue against it.I look at more than strength fts though when it concerns space cheese. I look at consistency and DCNU isn't close to being consistent like his previous counterpart. It's to the point that people don't even respond when they see a loss from him...it's just brushed off. This has never happened with pre reboot Superman. He was consistent. A loss for him was big depending on who the character was. This Supes has a long way to go before being put into DCU shoes. A long way. If i had to choose who would get the majority between these two Supes and this was based off money, I already know who that'll go to and I'm hoping your bet would go the same way. DCNU Supes is powerful but I don't think he is anywhere close to his previous self tbh.
Edited some parts of my post.
Originally posted by SasuOna
superman only has 3 years in the new continuity
he's lost to the following people
H'el
Zod
Batman
Hellspont
UllysesNot that many losses but he does tend to lose more than post crisis supes
You're missing some people. Doesn't matter tbh. Even with his losses he is one of the most powerful on the planet but I still wouldn't put him on his previous counterpart level.
Originally posted by carver9
You're missing some people. Doesn't matter tbh. Even with his losses he is one of the most powerful on the planet but I still wouldn't put him on his previous counterpart level.
Losses to a couple of them aren't that bad. Probably the fact that Supes fought with H'el and Helspont briefly speaks more words even though he was defeated by them both.
Originally posted by Golgo13It was 28 hours in Norway's cold weather without a shirt, and he was still going.
He also fought almost 24 hours straight. Or it could have been more than that. Pre-Flashpoint couldn't do that. He also has some of the best suits now.
He also beat the sh*t out of the Super Titan Gladiator.
Also from a tech perspective Batman is pushing Stark's level of suit building with the Justice Buster and Hellbat armors, on top of his deductive skills.
Originally posted by carver9
Oh, I agree with you on WW. She has been beastly since the birth of DCNU. Took on both Faora and Zod, defeated Mongul and a Kryptonian together ( same Mongul who took on Superman and an amped Batman). She mud stomped Supergirl. Let's put it like this, I agree with you on the consistency but if someone were to say Pre Reboot was more powerful, I wouldnt argue against it.I look at more than strength fts though when it concerns space cheese. I look at consistency and DCNU isn't close to being consistent like his previous counterpart. It's to the point that people don't even respond when they see a loss from him...it's just brushed off. This has never happened with pre reboot Superman. He was consistent. A loss for him was big depending on who the character was. This Supes has a long way to go before being put into DCU shoes. A long way. If i had to choose who would get the majority between these two Supes and this was based off money, I already know who that'll go to and I'm hoping your bet would go the same way. DCNU Supes is powerful but I don't think he is anywhere close to his previous self tbh.
I agree that Pre-FP WW may be more powerful, due to her equipment having better showings. But I would say that DCNu WW has the better physical/straight combat feats, on average so far. So, Pre- FP Diana might win but it'd be mainly because of her Deus ex Machina lasso or something.
I would vote for Pre-FP Superman to win, too (but to be fair, editorial mandate seemed stronger with him than DCNu Supes imo.)