Originally posted by The Merchant
But wouldn't Revan still have the majority of the energies needed to resurrect Vitiate? I'm not saying they're on the Temples therefore everyone gets the same boost. Revan was cultivating power for some time and should technically still have more power than what he usually has.
He was using a machine to resurrect Vitiate.
Originally posted by The Merchant
But wouldn't Revan still have the majority of the energies needed to resurrect Vitiate? I'm not saying they're on the Temples therefore everyone gets the same boost. Revan was cultivating power for some time and should technically still have more power than what he usually has.
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Exar Kun never used drain in a combat situation. His draining of the Massassi was an entire ritual.
This is incorrect:
Drained from thousands of Massassi sacrifices.. the power is rising. The ritual begun.. Sith power objects unleashed! Even as the Jedi approach, Exar Kun prepares himself to unleash his powerful spirit.. to shed the chains of his mortal body and run rampant throughout the cosmos!
- Tales of the Jedi
Kun drained the Massassi then the ritual began. He also did this previously without any ritual, draining the spirits of thousands of Massassi children, this is how he created the Golden Globe.
Exar Kun made preparations for the ritual, as evidence by panels showing him holding maps that tell him how to complete the ritual.
Secondly, it is not as if Exar Kun raised his hand and they all died. He strapped himself down to a immense focus of darkside energy before hand.
Note how the sacrifices aren't even killed in that panel. They are still gathered around, ready to die. Your interpretation of the scene is fallacious.
So yes, I consider this degree of preparation and use of outside elements as an act of a Sith ritual. It's obviously not like he can do it in combat situation.
His preparations consisted of scrolls on how to unleash his spirit and gathering the massassi, the drain feat is secondary to the ritual.
He drains the Massassi first and then he begins the ritual, which consists of charged the Sith Apparatus, the thing he is strapped to and then unleashes his spirit because of it.
It is consistent with his constructing the Dark Reaper a mass drain superweapon and his constructing the Golden Globe.
It is far from fallacious it is backed by more than just interpretations which your's is. However mine has prior supporting evidence.
Incorrect. I encourage you to learn more about Exar Kun before participating in debates.
"A powerful, but single entity, Kun could not hope to withstand the coordinated strike, so he hatched a plan with his remaining Massassi, chaining himself to the focal points of the great pyramids he had constructed to collect dark energy. Sapping the Massassi' life-force as the Jedi assailed his stronghold, his final act of Sith sorcery infused his spirit within the temple."
-- and --
"Kun knew the Jedi forces were coming. Alone, he could not possibly withstand the combined Force powers of the Jedi--but he had one last plan to launch. Kun gathered the remaining Massassi into the Great Temple and chained himself at the focal points of the pyramids. Exar Kun drained the power from all of his loyal Massassi slaves, triggering a final wave of Sith sorcery that liberated his spirit and preserved it inside the giant structures."
According to these two canonical accounts, along with really all other canon works. Exar Kun...
1.) Prepared for the ritual studying Sith scrolls.
2.) Gathered the Massassi into the Great Temple
3.) Chained himself to a focal point of darkside energy.
4.) Drained the Massassi, which triggered his transformation.
Another supporter of the above text, by the way, is Star Wars: The New Essential Chronology which was published in 2005 (very recent compared to most of Kun's works).
It declares basically exactly what I said. That Kun drained the Massassi after he strapped himself to the pyramid of power. This doesn't count as a combat feat at all, really.
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Incorrect. I encourage you to learn more about Exar Kun before participating in debates."A powerful, but single entity, Kun could not hope to withstand the coordinated strike, so he hatched a plan with his remaining Massassi, chaining himself to the focal points of the great pyramids he had constructed to collect dark energy. Sapping the Massassi' life-force as the Jedi assailed his stronghold, his final act of Sith sorcery infused his spirit within the temple."
-- and --
"Kun knew the Jedi forces were coming. Alone, he could not possibly withstand the combined Force powers of the Jedi--but he had one last plan to launch. Kun gathered the remaining Massassi into the Great Temple and chained himself at the focal points of the pyramids. Exar Kun drained the power from all of his loyal Massassi slaves, triggering a final wave of Sith sorcery that liberated his spirit and preserved it inside the giant structures."According to these two canonical accounts, along with really all other canon works. Exar Kun...
1.) Prepared for the ritual studying Sith scrolls.
2.) Gathered the Massassi into the Great Temple
3.) Chained himself to a focal point of darkside energy.
4.) Drained the Massassi, which triggered his transformation.
No need for insults but I expected little more.
Both of those quotes support my stance not contradict.
Except, they don't, as evidenced to your one sentence reply.
Your argument: Kun strapped himself after draining Massassi.
Quotes statement: Kun strapped himself before draining Massassi.
Plus the fact he strapped himself down to an immense nexus designed for that stuff.
By the way, TNEC uses directly the word "then" to describe the difference:
Paraphrase: Kun did this. The Jedi came, so then Kun did this.