Revan vs Exar Kun [Official Debate Thread]

Originally posted by Emperordmb
Wait wait wait... Revan merging with himself is what is being passed off as essence transfer?

Yes LOL

When the tainted Jedi Exar Kun later commanded the Massassi to expand the temples, he altered many of these beasts even further as a test of his new-found Sith abilities. The battle hydra is an example of Exar Kun's alchemical mastery and Naga Sadow's dark legacy.
- The Dark Side Sourcebook

Exar Kun’s power grew. He ordered the Massassi to build immense temples and to seek out Naga Sadow’s lost battleship. He also used Sith alchemy to create horrific monsters, including terentateks that hungered for the blood of Force users.
- Star Wars: The Old Republic - Galactic History 55 - Ascension of Exar Kun

Not a single statement infers he was amped, focused? Possibly as that seems to be the point, the Great Temple has direct statements making it clear it focused not amped Force Users.

Provide me an actual statement saying he was amped to perform these feats.

The temples focus force power whether Exar Kun's or just the force in general, it's an amp.

Plus Ant's first quote shows that the object that Kun strapped himself "collects dark energy"...

Edit: Although, admittedly, that too looks to be an outdated source.

Focusing a force user and amplifying their powers are two different things.

The Sith Apparatus is what he was empowering in the first place to unleash his essence.

Semantics really. Either way, he has only been shown capable of performing drain when strapped to the focusing point.

He performed drain to create the Golden Sphere, draining and trapping Massassi children inside it, further using it later to drain energy from, so two drain feats in one. Let us not forget the Dark Reaper.

Neither of which proof he can use it. One is some esoteric power that is frankly little use in this fight and that we don't know how it specifically works.

The other is some tech. Just because he may have created it doesn't mean he can use the power himself.

Proof it's an esoteric power? He used drain to trap the Massassi and later used them as a source of energy to drain from.

The Dark Reaper would regardless require immense knowledge and alchemical mastery to create and drain would have to play an integral part. Don't lowball it.

"Proof it's an esoteric power?" What? From what I've seen, only Exar Kun has used it that's pretty much the definition of esoteric...

Again, what? You were using this as evidence to prove that Exar Kun could use drain. I merely pointed out it means little in that regard.

Didn't Naga Sadow create it?

@Ares It's Force Drain, he both created the Golden Globe and used it via Force Drain, read the book.

It would require mastery of alchemy and immense knowledge of the drain technique.

Exar Kun has the full knowledge of Naga Sadow and Freedon Nadd which includes the entire lore of the Ancient Sith and every technique in the TOTJ Companion sourcebook which BTW includes Drain.

@Emperordmb that was retconned by numerous statements referring to Kun as it's creator.

I'm not going to waste my time reading that book. If you have proof that he created it with drain, post it. So far all I've seen is that "allowed him to feed off their energies."

And having knowledge of a technique does not mean he could use it. I mean, Revan too had knowledge of it. Doesn't mean I'm going to say he can use it at will and in combat.

And was it? The KotOR campaign guide mentions the Dark Repear being used in the GHW. That's a newer source than the New Essential chronology.

Originally posted by ares834
I'm not going to waste my time reading that book. If you have proof that he created it with drain, post it. So far all I've seen is that "allowed him to feed off their energies."

And having knowledge of a technique does not mean he could use it. I mean, Revan too had knowledge of it. Doesn't mean I'm going to say he can use it at will and in combat.

And was it? The KotOR campaign guide mentions the Dark Repear being used in the GHW. That's a newer source than the New Essential chronology.

It is in the book, he uses drain regardless.

During the Sith War, Exar Kun constructed the super-weapon known as Dark Reaper.
- Jedi vs Sith The Essential Guide to the Force

Still an older source. In-universe as well.

Yeah, I recall it being created during the Great Hyperspace War. No one in particular made it though.

Book of the Sith also says Kun made it.

Revan learn zhii-co like verybody.... Makazhi but never finzih hiz training with thiz form but know how to do precize and quick ztrike and be inventive in hiz light zaber form.
Witha taru zorezu he iz good he know the form and the methode very well and he uze ataru to run or dazh or jump on hiz oppoent to kill them before they can react.

Form V Djem zo waz learned by him zelf it'z juzt an application of zorezu with Makazhi and ataru ztrike uzing to counter attacK.... He relie heavly on mental and phyzichal zpeed to counter attack and alzo ztrengh to pare with eaze...

He alzo learn zhien by himzelf with force knowledge....

Zith niman but forget it he never recover hiz zith niman inztead he relearn a perzonalize technic learn byhimzelf with again force knowledge him and Laek learned from the zith the Yuyo but Revan don't uze it becauze he don't really like the loozing the control azpect....

And he learn Jar'kai and know how to be inventiv with it.... Zo?
I think that give Revan a good light zaber zkill? Hum? Battle mazter !!!!

There technic where he know how to apply, with hiz ataru ruzh for example thiz iz a trick maztered at th eperfection (and he reuze-it in hiz zhien...) And he have alzo hiz form V wich an application of a lot of trick than he know...

Force zkill he have inzane variaty of zkill, and quazi all hiz zkill totamuniz etc are the upper verzion o of Yoda one... Exept TK but Yoda have a very zlighly edge...

There needs to be a new name for Revan as of the expansion, because Revan Reborn is the name for Revan post of SWOTOR.

The Dark Repaer was constructed by the ancient Sith during the Great Hyperspace War according to KotORCG.
Star Wars: The Official Starships & Vehicles Collection 78 states then specifically it was Naga Sadow who made it, apparently.
That being said, I find it certainly hilarious you are denying Exar Kun's powers were greatly amplified. Makes me question life, quite frankly.
By the way, I will respond to your post when I get home later today.

Originally posted by carthage
Bane has never beaten anyone above Bastila or Malak, he is a mediocre duelist who only beat Sirak and Fohargh after getting stomped by both. Bane doesn't deserve to be mentioned in the same sentence as Revan, other than to say he needed Revan's knowledge or he'd be useless.