Originally posted by Fated XtasyAnyway. Grevious himself says she's his equal in the Arc Trooper episode(during the first attack on Kamino) he never praises anyone, rarely does he do that.
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For Grievous to admit Ventress is her equal, while Ventress holds that he's no match for her certainly suggested Ventress >/= Grievous.
Originally posted by Emperordmb
And most of Grievous's best feats take place after his fight with Ventress while his most embarrassing defeats happen before that.
Wasn't his best feat, when he beat 5 Jedi including Ki-Adi-Mundi and Shaak Ti, supposed to be his first canonical appearance meeting the Jedi?
And his other best feat, defeating Ventress and Durge together the first time they met him as well?
Originally posted by ILS
Pretty much all of his defeats can be justified in-universe, though. His cybernetics needed recharging when he fought Kit Fisto because he had been cut in half not too long ago, and Fisto has a form advantage against multiple blades. Before that, Grievous had fought Kit Fisto and his apprentice (who fodderized several MagnaGuards) at the same time while clones attacked him. His fight with Ventress - she was amped. Then there are things like the Eeth Koth fight which people bend out of shape and try to assert that Grievous was losing against Koth and needed his MagnaGuards' help, when really he was just trying to capture Koth. Then of course there are the Gungans, which partly I see as a result of Lucas' stupidity (or just an inconsistent low showing), and partly because Grievous isn't nearly as fast as he is in the EU, where he has fodderized literally hundreds of clone troopers with his bare hands in one sitting. And it's also inconsistent with the ROTS novel, where Grievous states that he has armed his MagnaGuards with weapons that couldn't possibly hurt him - Electromagnetic staffs - which are the exact weapons the Gungans incapacitated him with.And then, he's stomped Kenobi twice during TCW, which is always nice.
Originally posted by ILS
I could easily say Ventress has never stomped Kenobi twice,
Wait, Grievous has stomped Kenobi Twice?
Once as far as I'm aware, in the unaired and uncompleted TCW S6 Crystal arc. When was the other time. I really hope you're not counting Grievous kicking Kenobi, after which Kenobi and his troops retreat from Grievous's Forces in S5, as a stomp?!
And FYI Ventress has also stomped Kenobi once in Nightsisters.
lol @ DP trying to take pot shots at Grievous where he can.
Wait, Grievous has stomped Kenobi Twice?I dunno, I can't remember how the fights went exactly I just remember Grievous winning two of them. Possibly poor wording on my part but the point remains.Once as far as I'm aware, in the unaired and uncompleted TCW S6 Crystal arc. When was the other time. I really hope you're not counting Grievous kicking Kenobi, after which Kenobi and his troops retreat from Grievous's Forces in S5, as a stomp?!
And FYI Ventress has also stomped Kenobi once in Nightsisters.Is that from an episode called Nightsisters? I don't remember either of them ever stomping each other but, they have traded wins and losses here and there over the course of all of their fights.
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Wasn't his best feat, when he beat 5 Jedi including Ki-Adi-Mundi and Shaak Ti, supposed to be his first canonical appearance meeting the Jedi?And his other best feat, defeating Ventress and Durge together the first time they met him as well?
And the fact that all of his embarrassing defeats happened before that point.
Originally posted by ArhaelIt also wasn't my only argument, and the speed argument is valid unless you want to only use canon speed for Grievous in versus threads, which is down to the moderators. Until they clarify which speed level we use for canon characters I'll continue to differentiate between sources.
Should have read second half before putting like. -_- Lucas stupidity is not a valid argument. And obviously will never agree with any speed arguments. Out of curiosity, in which source did he handle 100 troopers?
Here are the sources:
- Star Wars Insider 86: Unknown Soldier: The Story of General Grievous
- The Essential Guide to Warfare
There are 144 troopers in a company:
- The Essential Guide to Warfare
Originally posted by ILS
lol @ DP trying to take pot shots at Grievous where he can.
No not at all. I've already had a long discussion with you about this in general, so you know what my view is, which is to side with Lucas and Filoni. I'm just asking about a couple of the points that have been brought up here, and not really interested in actually entering the debate.
Originally posted by ILS
Is that from an episode called Nightsisters? I don't remember either of them ever stomping each other but, they have traded wins and losses here and there over the course of all of their fights.
Here at 2:50-
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PtO1U79HSqo
After a few seconds of fighting Kenobi is knocked down disarmed of his weapon and is lying thee absolutely still for a few seconds (might indicate a short KO). So we don't have to be geniuses to know what would have happened if Skywalker wasn't there.
Of course there are factors to consider:
1. Ventress was Rage enhanced
2. Kenobi doesn't do too well on the offensive.
Of course most the times Kenobi struggles with Grievous are not exactly complete context free.
Hmm, I might not call that a stomp but she landed a pretty decent kick on him. Seems kind of weird for him to be down for so long though, he's taken worse hits from stronger opponents and gotten back up much quicker.
I'm thinking of getting all of Kenobi and Ventress' fights together in one thread to see who really is better out of the two one day.
Originally posted by Emperordmb
Grievous and Ventress had a close ass fight on Dathomir, then Grievous improved from that point since the majority of his most impressive feats happened after that fight.Grievous>Ventress IMO
I conzider that fight non canon becauze grievouz iz damage like after the coruzcant battle.... And have the zame problemz like in Epizode III but TWC ZI ACTAULLY BEFORE EPIZODE III !! I declared all fight with grievouz in TWC 2008 totaly non canon.....
In fact in the original EU Ventrezz and druge waz juzt azz kicked by grievouz !!!!!!