The Ones of Mortis vs Galaxy Vitiate

Sure. The Son is beyond him at a fundamental level. Vitiate is a Sith, a powerful one sure, but still a Sith. The Son is an embodiment of the dark side itself and can only be killed by a dagger than Vitiate will never be able to get.

Even if Vitiate mind and soul is dispersed throughout all living beings in the world, he isn't at the level of the Ones. The Father rules the fulcrum of the Force not just in a galaxy, but the Force itself. Vitiate is way out of his league.

Now mind you, canonically I don't think the Ones actually exist. FotJ ****ed up there big time, but thankfully that shits gone... But in this hypothetical matchup where these character physically exist within our dimension, yeah it's a bit of a mismatch.

Originally posted by ares834
Now mind you, canonically I don't think the Ones actually exist. FotJ ****ed up there big time, but thankfully that shits gone...

Vitiate might have a chance if you give him Darth Bane

Originally posted by carthage
Vitiate might have a chance if you give him Darth Bane

Originally posted by ILS
He wouldn't have been able to do so against Anakin because of Anakin's status as the Chosen one.

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Originally posted by ares834
Sure. The Son is beyond him at a fundamental level. Vitiate is a Sith, a powerful one sure, but still a Sith. The Son is an embodiment of the dark side itself and can only be killed by a dagger than Vitiate will never be able to get.

Even if Vitiate mind and soul is dispersed throughout all living beings in the world, he isn't at the level of the Ones. The Father rules the fulcrum of the Force not just in a galaxy, but the Force itself. Vitiate is way out of his league.

Now mind you, canonically I don't think the Ones actually exist. FotJ ****ed up there big time, but thankfully that shits gone... But in this hypothetical matchup where these character physically exist within our dimension, yeah it's a bit of a mismatch.

Do you really think he'd still be a sith after the ritual? Even as the Emperor, this was debatable.

Not dispersed, he will be them literally. He will contain their energies and summon them as he pleases.

Yet Anakin could replace the Father. Could Anakin rise to becoming the master of the universe from being a jedi? He should'e surpassed Yoda and Sidious after a few years of training if that were the case. Obviously, they are much more comparable to ordinary force users than you'd like to admit.

Again, they were individual force users who apply a similar usage of the force to the jedi and the sith. The only difference is, they are much more powerful. Vitiate on the other hand, is an entire different level of existence at this point. If you're saying that Vitiate x 10 million can't defeat the Ones, lets end this discussion now.

Originally posted by Emperordmb
Yeah, now you have StarWars.com confirming their existence 👆

Not really. I'm talking physical existence here. The Mortis entry presented the "planet" as being in a higher reality. The only way those episodes make any real sense is if they are manifestations of the force similar to Vader on Dagobah. And thankfully, the databanks neither confirm or deny such an interpretation.

Originally posted by Sinious
If you're saying that Vitiate x 10 million can't defeat the Ones, lets end this discussion now.

Nope he can't.

The Father said if the Son/Daughter fought outside of Mortis it will destroy the fabric of the Universe. I don't see why he would lie or exaggerate that statement.

Originally posted by ares834
Not really. I'm talking physical existence here. The Mortis entry presented the "planet" as being in a higher reality. The only way those episodes make any real sense is if they are manifestations of the force similar to Vader on Dagobah. And thankfully, the databanks neither confirm or deny such an interpretation.

That's possible.

Sam Witwer who played The Son is of the opinion that if The Son had left Mortis with Anakin then when they left The Son would have existed as part of Anakin (that would have resulted in one Bad Ass villain).

Which would make sense out of why The Son wanted Anakin to join him.

Originally posted by Sinious
Does any of the Ones have any feats or accolades that put them above omnipresent beings?

Really doesn't matter how much power in the Dark Side Vitiate amasses when the Son is an Embodiment of the Dark Side itself:

http://www.starwars.com/databank/son

"The Son was an embodiment of the dark side of the Force"

Made a thread with assumption of what would happen, had ritual been completed. Demands proof that other characters can defeat him.

Good to see ares & DP have this in the bag.

Vitiate = WTice the zone in madnezz !!!!!!!!The one cruzhing hiz dream...

The zon zeize an opportunity to kill the daughter and weaken hiz father...

Originally posted by The_Tempest
Good to see ares & DP have this in the bag.

Originally posted by ares834
Sure. The Son is beyond him at a fundamental level. Vitiate is a Sith, a powerful one sure, but still a Sith. The Son is an embodiment of the dark side itself and can only be killed by a dagger than Vitiate will never be able to get.

Also;

The Emperor is more than a man - he is the living embodiment of the dark side.*

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He was a living embodiment of the dark side of the Force who delighted in destroying the minds and spirits of those Jedi who came too close to him.*

Satisfied?

Originally posted by ares834
Even if Vitiate mind and soul is dispersed throughout all living beings in the world, he isn't at the level of the Ones. The Father rules the fulcrum of the Force not just in a galaxy, but the Force itself. Vitiate is way out of his league.

Emperor Vitiate would become all-powerful after completing his ultimate ritual.

Emperor's Wrath stated that Emperor would surpass the combined might of every Jedi and Sith that have existed in history and then some, should he succeed in his ultimate plan.

Originally posted by ares834
Now mind you, canonically I don't think the Ones actually exist. FotJ ****ed up there big time, but thankfully that shits gone... But in this hypothetical matchup where these character physically exist within our dimension, yeah it's a bit of a mismatch.

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Originally posted by ares834
Except he consumes the galaxy, not the universe.

Anyway, the One are fundamentally beyond Vitiate and are universal in level ("tear apart the fabric of the universe"😉 rather than merely galactic. So yeah, they stomp him. 👆

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Originally posted by The Merchant
The Father said if the Son/Daughter fought outside of Mortis it will destroy the fabric of the Universe. I don't see why he would lie or exaggerate that statement.

Abeloth was so powerful that The Ones trapped her in the MAW with special devices with aid of Killicks to prevent her escape and fled to realm of Mortis.

Father's statement sounds like manipulation attempt. He had an agenda: he was looking for a suitable replacement for himself to keep Son and Daughter under check because he was in decline and would have eventually perished at sometime.

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*Star Wars: The Old Republic: Encyclopedia

Twice*

The problem iz that Vitiate in thiz ztat became the univerzal god of hiz own univerze...

And the zon and Vitiate will certainly ally temporatly...

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD

The Emperor is more than a man - he is the living embodiment of the dark side.*

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He was a living embodiment of the dark side of the Force who delighted in destroying the minds and spirits of those Jedi who came too close to him.*

Satisfied?

Of course living embodiment isn't as good as being the total embodiment of the dark side which is what The Son was.

Living embodiment will no doubt be referring to all the mortal practitioners of the dark side.

The Force-Wielders (canonical name for The Ones) were confirmed by TCW Narrator to be more powerful than any Force user ever Iirc. But I'll have to go back and check the exact wording. But The Father did explain that they can manipulate the Force like no other which forced them to withdraw from the temporal world.

SW_Legend destroyed.

Anakin full potential wouldn't even come close to destroying the fabric of the universe and he was the Father's equal.

Put 5 Sidious' up against the Father and he is done. Put 10 million Vitiate's against him, and there won't even be a fight.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Of course living embodiment isn't as good as being the total embodiment of the dark side which is what The Son was.

Living embodiment will no doubt be referring to all the mortal practitioners of the dark side.

The Force-Wielders (canonical name for The Ones) were confirmed by TCW Narrator to be more powerful than any Force user ever Iirc. But I'll have to go back and check the exact wording. But The Father did explain that they can manipulate the Force like no other which forced them to withdraw from the temporal world.

If The Ones do no count as living beings, how come Father was dying? Only living beings die.

The term Force-Wielder have been used interchangeably for Force-user in the mythos. This happened in Star Wars: The Complete Encyclopedia.

I am aware of the fact that The Ones have been promoted as he most powerful Force-users of the mythos. However, tension exists in Legends continuity of the mythos.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
The Emperor is more than a man - he is the living embodiment of the dark side.*

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He was a living embodiment of the dark side of the Force who delighted in destroying the minds and spirits of those Jedi who came too close to him.*

Satisfied?

Nope. An in-universe source that is blatantly false doesn't satisfy me.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Emperor Vitiate would become all-powerful after completing his ultimate ritual.

Proof? I want concrete proof not speculation by an in-universe source. Hell, IIRC, the ones are stated to be all powerful in the Book of Sith. But you don't see me running around using that as evidence.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Father's statement sounds like manipulation attempt. He had an agenda: he was looking for a suitable replacement for himself to keep Son and Daughter under check because he was in decline and would have eventually perished at sometime.

Because the Father is such a dastardly character am I right? But considering these characters are literally embodiments of the Force and rule over a planet that is the Fulcrum of the Force on an universal scale, I'm inclined to believe him.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Emperor Vitiate is also stated to be an almost god-like being.

If [B]The Ones do no count as living beings, how come Father was dying? Only living beings die.

The term Force-Wielder have been used interchangeably for Force-user in the mythos. This happened in Star Wars: The Complete Encyclopedia.

I am aware of the fact that The Ones have been promoted as he most powerful Force-users of the mythos. However, tension exists in Legends continuity of the mythos. [/B]

They were in a completely different category to Living Mortal beings.

There's really nothing to debate here because The Son being the embodiment of the Dark Side of the Force means that Vitatie gaining power will just power up The Son as well.

You should also note that the Sith had suddenly gained power with the Daughter's death because the balance of the force had completely shifted.