The Ones of Mortis vs Galaxy Vitiate

Started by DarthAnt664 pages

Just to throw it in, Drew referred to Revan and Bane as "all-powerful." 😉

Originally posted by ares834
Nope. An in-universe source that is blatantly false doesn't satisfy me.

Blatantly false? You decide which source is correct or not now?

Also, most of the content in Star Wars is in-universe FYI.

Originally posted by ares834
Proof? I want concrete proof not speculation by an in-universe source. Hell, IIRC, the ones are stated to be all powerful in the Book of Sith. But you don't see me running around using that as evidence.

I personally regard all of the "most powerful" as a league of elite. However, fans continue to choose sides as they please.

Originally posted by ares834
Because the Father is such a dastardly character am I right? But considering these characters are literally embodiments of the Force and rule over a planet that is the Fulcrum of the Force on an universal scale, I'm inclined to believe him.

What do you mean by Fulcrum of the Force?

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
They were in a completely different category to Living Mortal beings.

Emperor Vitiate is not a mortal. I thought this was common knowledge.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
There's really nothing to debate here because The Son being the embodiment of the Dark Side of the Force means that Vitatie gaining power will just power up The Son as well.

Do you define canon? No.

Star Wars have conflicting school of thoughts concerning most powerful in the mythos. BioWare wanks ancients and Lucas lickers hype his creations.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
You should also note that the Sith had suddenly gained power with the Daughter's death because the balance of the force had completely shifted.

Provide evidence.

I recall Darth Plaguies and Darth Sidious using their combined might to disturb the balance of the Force with a prolonged ritual designed to achieve this objective.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Emperor Vitiate is not a mortal. I thought this was common knowledge.

Are you claiming he's a Force god Like The Ones?

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD

Do you define canon? No.

No but TCW does as confirmed by Disney's Lucasfilm.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Are you claiming he's a Force god Like The Ones?

They are hyped as god-like beings. They are not omnipotent and all-powerful if this is what you are trying to imply.

Emperor have comparable hype in legends. You have a problem with this?

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
No but TCW does as confirmed by Disney's Lucasfilm.

We are discussing Legends. Emperor does not exists in canon.

BTW, this is Vitiate after consuming the galaxy. Him being above Mortis is pretty likely-to-obvious.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD

Provide evidence.

I recall Darth Plaguies and Darth Sidious using their combined might to disturb the balance of the Force with a prolonged ritual designed to achieve this objective.

It was said by in the episode when The Daughter died 😬

Yeah the difference being what it takes 2 of the Most Powerful Sith Lords in history to accomplish through a prolonged ritual, The Ones achieve by their mere existence.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
It was said by in the episode when The Daughter died 😬

You shouldn't have trouble providing evidence then.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Yeah the difference being what it takes 2 of the Most Powerful Sith Lords in history to accomplish through a prolonged ritual, The Ones achieve by their mere existence.

2 of the most powerful? Riiiiiiiiiight.

Anyways, you are missing the point. If Father was really maintaining the balance of the Force on cosmic level and was as powerful as you are trying to imply, he wouldn't have trouble preventing imbalance from the referred Sith Lords.

Care to elaborate what went wrong and why the imbalance occurred?

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Emperor Vitiate is also stated to be an almost god-like being.

If [B]The Ones do no count as living beings, how come Father was dying? Only living beings die.

The term Force-Wielder have been used interchangeably for Force-user in the mythos. This happened in Star Wars: The Complete Encyclopedia.

I am aware of the fact that The Ones have been promoted as he most powerful Force-users of the mythos. However, tension exists in Legends continuity of the mythos. [/B]

In plagueiz novel it'z ztaten than Vitiate died but we don't know how... And their dead cauez by a dague wich ame to have the zame power than plagueiz have...

Originally posted by Revanchiste
In plagueiz novel it'z ztaten than Vitiate died but we don't know how... And their dead cauez by a dague wich ame to have the zame power than plagueiz have...

This novel doesn't confirms death of Emperor. Some editors of Wookieepedia are idiots and tend to make shit up.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
This novel doesn't confirms death of Emperor. Some editors of Wookieepedia are idiots and tend to make shit up.

It says he died around 67 BBY 😄

The novel does confirm his death. Plagueis mentions that Vitiate came closer than anyone else to immortality, but ultimately failed.

Originally posted by Sinious
It says he died around 67 BBY 😄

This is FANON.

Originally posted by NewGuy01
The novel does confirm his death. Plagueis mentions that Vitiate came closer than anyone else to immortality, but ultimately failed.

This is not confirmation of death.

The novel simply represents the POV of Darth Plagueis concerning accomplishments of some dark side practitioners that have existed much earlier in history and fate of Emperor Vitiate. This is not actual confirmation because Darth Plagueis could be wrong.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
This is FANON.

Obviously

In anayway he have achieve the ritual.... Zo that dozen't matter he cannot die anymore.

In Plagueiz could be wrong but there iz no manizfeztation of him over here perharpz he goez warhammer 40K coz there iz only war and war feed the emperor.And it woz better 4 'im.

Or hiz zpiritual ezzence get weaker and weaker.... Be banned in an other world or ztop to exizt...

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
This is FANON.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Do you define canon? No.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
2 of the most powerful? Riiiiiiiiiight.

You already conceded that Sidious > Vitiate, and Plageuis is "the most powerful Sith Lord who ever lived"

Thou art mad.

What the hell are you thinking Legend, that Vitiate is still alive up to the PT? Of course he's fricking dead. 😬