Gohan wins, and easily so.
As evident by their battle, SSJ3 Gotenks was very close to Super Buu's level. Conversely, Goku stated that Super Buu was considerably more powerful than himself--to the point where Goku didn't even try to fight him. This is important because Mystic Gohan was far more powerful than Super Buu.
It would go like this:
Mystic Gohan>>>Super Buu~SSJ3 Gotenks>>SSJ3 Goku.
Originally posted by Galan007
Gohan wins, and easily so.As evident by their battle, SSJ3 Gotenks was very close to Super Buu's level. Conversely, Goku stated that Super Buu was considerably more powerful than himself--to the point where Goku didn't even try to fight him. This is important because Mystic Gohan was far more powerful than Super Buu.
It would go like this:
Mystic Gohan>>>Super Buu~SSJ3 Gotenks>>SSJ3 Goku.
Gotenks was also playing around with Buu for most of the fight. When he ramped it up at the end, it became pretty one sided.
Then his SSJ3 fizzled out. Should have used a stopwatch. 😉
Originally posted by cdtmLol, yeah. Personally I think they were roughly equal because of Piccolo's statement...
Gotenks was also playing around with Buu for most of the fight. When he ramped it up at the end, it became pretty one sided.Then his SSJ3 fizzled out. Should have used a stopwatch. 😉
As of BoG(5 years after the Buu saga), Beerus stated that base Goku was still weaker than Freeza, but implied that their powers were fairly close. This means Goku's base PL couldn't have been more than 120m(per the Daizenshuu, that was 100% Freeza's canon PL.) So if we high-ball a bit and use 120m as our starting point, it's relatively easy to come up with some fairly accurate PLs for all of Goku's transformations:
Base Goku=120m
SSJ Goku(50*base)=6b
SSJ2 Goku(2*SSJ)=12b
SSJ3 Goku(4*SSJ2)=48b
(m=million, b=billion.)
Originally posted by Galan007
As of BoG, base Goku was still weaker than Freeza. This means his base PL can't be more than 120m(per the Daizenshuu, that was 100% Freeza's canon PL.) So if we go on the high-end, and use 120m as our starting point, then it's relatively easy to come up with some fairly accurate PLs for all of his transformations:
Base Goku=120m
SSJ Goku(50*base)=6b
SSJ2 Goku(2*SSJ)=12b
SSJ3 Goku(4*SSJ2)=48b
(m=million, b=billion.)
the math is baseless
Baseless? 😂
I used Freeza's canon PL of 120m as a starting point, because Beerus implied that Goku was nearly on par with Freeza, but still a bit weaker. I then applied the canon Super Saiyan multipliers to said base PL, in order to come up with his transformed PLs.
Are they 100% spot-on? No. Do they give us a fairly accurate estimate? Absolutely.
Originally posted by cdtmHard to say, as we really have no clue how extensively Goku trained during that 5 year span of time. However, it was outright stated multiple times that SSJ3 Gotenks and Super Buu were insurmountably beyond SSJ3 Goku during the Buu-saga. That said, it's hard for me to imagine Goku bridging that much of a power gap in a relatively short amount of time--especially given that zenkai-boosts went away after the Namek-arc... But who knows? Stranger things have happened. /shrug
In the time between end of series and BOTG, how much stronger could Goku have gotten?Enough to match Super Buu?
Originally posted by Galan007
Hard to say, as we really have no clue how extensively Goku trained during that 5 year span of time. However, it was outright stated multiple times that SSJ3 Gotenks and Super Buu were insurmountably beyond SSJ3 Goku during the Buu-saga. That said, it's hard for me to imagine Goku bridging that much of a power gap in a relatively short amount of time--especially given that zenkai-boosts went away after the Namek-arc... But who knows? Stranger things have happened. /shrug
Going from not even SSJ1 to being well beyond Goku's FPSSJ could be seen as an insurmountable gab and Gohan did it in a day! Or rather a year. But really a day. Ok a year, but still imagine what 5 years could do!
I'm not sure but there was a Japanese power level chart floating around online which seems quite reliable in retrospect. Assuming it's accurate, Goku's base power level is 60,000,000—since Super Saiyan Goku was at 3,000,000,000 in the Buu Saga.
Either way, Gohan should be able to take these two out quite easily.
Originally posted by juggermanYeah, but that was Gohan. His massive potential was mentioned/shown in every arc.
Going from not even SSJ1 to being well beyond Goku's FPSSJ could be seen as an insurmountable gab and Gohan did it in a day! Or rather a year. But really a day. Ok a year, but still imagine what 5 years could do!
Even better still was Gotenks' increase. Trunks/Goten were only in the RoSaT for like a week total(relative time), and they were able to boost Gotenks' power from SSJ, all the way to phucking SSJ3... And also had enough spare time to invent a bunch of wacky attacks in the process. Can you imagine the power they could've attained with a whole year inside the RoSaT? Insane.
Originally posted by AstnerOnly 60m at base, huh? Interesting.
I'm not sure but there was a Japanese power level chart floating around online which seems quite reliable in retrospect. Assuming it's accurate, Goku's base power level is 60,000,000—since Super Saiyan Goku was at 3,000,000,000 in the Buu Saga.