Originally posted by WildBantha88Kenobi was only ever beaten by Dooku via the Force (excluding Aotc)
He was beating the hell outta Kenobi on Oba Diah, without using any Tk.
Originally posted by WildBantha88
And Kenobi was also a stalemate for Anakin, the very person who killed Dooku.
I see there being no reason why Kenobi couldn't take the most minute of minorities.
I think Kenobi could stalemate a few fights in pure Sabers tbf, as long as he fights purely defensively (sticking to his strengths).
But I think once you add Tk, even if you equalize Kenobi and Dooku's Tk, then Dooku has the solid edge.
Dooku just seems like a more skilled all out(Combining Sabers+TK) combatant than either Skywalker or Kenobi.
Originally posted by DARTH POWERon the invisible hand, Dooku had yo resort to his Force powers to take out Kenobi. Then add Kenobi's feats of stalemating both Anakin and Darth Maul, both on the same level of Dooku.
He was beating the hell outta Kenobi on Oba Diah, without using any Tk.I think Kenobi could stalemate a few fights in pure Sabers tbf, as long as he fights purely defensively (sticking to his strengths).
Really I see Kenobi pulling this off
Originally posted by WildBantha88
on the invisible hand, Dooku had yo resort to his Force powers to take out Kenobi.
I never understood this logic, that if someone takes an opponent out with the Force, then they HAD TO DO THAT.
It's like saying Dooku kicked Skywalker therefore he HAD TO DO THAT and couldn't do anything else like Force Push him.
In any case he was fighting off both Skywalker and Kenobi together, so the point is irrelevant. Especially when you look at their fight on Oba Diah.
Originally posted by WildBantha88
Then add Kenobi's feats of stalemating both Anakin and Darth Maul, both on the same level of Dooku.
I'd honestly say Dooku's a more skilled All Out combatant than any of those guys, and certainly has the best Force Powers.
Just Kenobi being Younger with better stamina, means he can carry a long drawn out pure Saber fight against a Powerhouse like Skywalker better than Dooku probably could.
No, Obi-Wan is equal to Dooku or Mace only in Stovers' ****ed imagination.
Kenobi Was always, and in every source equal o people like Ventress. Perhaps a it above...
Still he's FAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAR froim being Dooku's equal or Mace. He's also FAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAR from being as good as Stover would want to see him.
Dooku would trashe Kenobi in a 1v1 saber duel. In al-out duel Kenobi wont be even able to win 1 of 100 duels.
Originally posted by McP
No, Obi-Wan is equal to Dooku or Mace only in Stovers' ****ed imagination.Kenobi Was always, and in every source equal o people like Ventress. Perhaps a it above...
Still he's FAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAR froim being Dooku's equal or Mace. He's also FAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAR from being as good as Stover would want to see him.Dooku would trashe Kenobi in a 1v1 saber duel. In al-out duel Kenobi wont be even able to win 1 of 100 duels.
Obi-Wan as far better stamina overall. Dooku would have much better stamina against Kenobi though
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Those are cut scenes though... The fight itself was game mechanics but the result seemed to be a cut scene.So what's the argument for it being non-canon? Except that it's completely inconsistent with all there other fights?
As I stated in previous threads its impossible for that to be the case because we see Kenobi on the bridge of his destroyer when they get in system and there is no Dooku, additionally he's at the Separatist rendezvous point communicating with Grievous.
Dooku thrashes Kenobi
Originally posted by DARTH POWERit doesn't mean that he NEEDED to but it does mean that Kenobi drove Count Dooku who is extremely arrogant and proud of his dueling skills, to dream it necessary to use the Force against him.
I never understood this logic, that if someone takes an opponent out with the Force, then they HAD TO DO THAT.It's like saying Dooku kicked Skywalker therefore he HAD TO DO THAT and couldn't do anything else like Force Push him.
In any case he was fighting off both Skywalker and Kenobi together, so the point is irrelevant. Especially when you look at their fight on Oba Diah.
I'd honestly say Dooku's a more skilled All Out combatant than any of those guys, and certainly has the best Force Powers.
Just Kenobi being Younger with better stamina, means he can carry a long drawn out pure Saber fight against a Powerhouse like Skywalker better than Dooku probably could.
Being a better All out fighter has nothing to do with this debate as we are only debating sabers. Maul and Anakin, weather you believe them to be better than Dooku or not, are so closely compatible to Dooku in lightsaber skill that the difference is negligible.
Now stamina is a very important factor in this fight. Because of how closely these two are matched it may very well become a war of attrition. Kenobi is also more durable than Dooku and is, overall, in much better shape
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Dooku is at least as fast as Kenobi is- likely faster. He has never had any issue with his strength, or Grievous's for that matter. Obi-Wan has greater stamina than he, but in turn Dooku is far more efficient.
This really ultimately comes down to skill level, and Dooku is the greater, if not by much. Even assuming that they are equals skill-wise as well, Kenobi has never fared well against Makashi's ultra-precision and complex footwork; he is comparatively clumsy, as Dooku often points out.
I can see Obi-Wan taking wins, but I don't think he's taking a majority, nor a split-he's not quite there yet.
Originally posted by Lord Stark
As I stated in previous threads its impossible for that to be the case because we see Kenobi on the bridge of his destroyer when they get in system and there is no Dooku, additionally he's at the Separatist rendezvous point communicating with Grievous.
What was this supposed to happen during an episode of Clone Wars? Which episode was it?
Originally posted by WildBantha88
it doesn't mean that he NEEDED to but it does mean that Kenobi drove Count Dooku who is extremely arrogant and proud of his dueling skills, to dream it necessary to use the Force against him.
He also took Ventress out with the Force. Twice no less. Does that mean she also "pushed" or "drove" Dooku?
So really Kenobi's not actually pushed Dooku anymore than Ventress has.
Originally posted by WildBantha88
Being a better All out fighter has nothing to do with this debate as we are only debating sabers. Maul and Anakin, weather you believe them to be better than Dooku or not, are so closely compatible to Dooku in lightsaber skill that the difference is negligible.
Point being Dooku's not just more Powerful than Kenobi, but he's more skilled as an all out combatant. Force pushes are a standard part of a Saber fight. As standard as kicks are. Which is why I prefer to discuss "Sabers Only" with TK being equalized on both sides, instead of being completely ignored. I mean with no Tk at all if one combatant just drops his Saber, he's got a lot less chance of picking it up again, so it changes the fight in a lot of ways.
In any case even saying "No Tk allowed at all" Dooku's Force enhanced Kicks would serve him very well in a Pure Sabers fight with Kenobi. So I see Kenobi doing very well, but Dooku clearly has the upper hand Imho.
Originally posted by WildBantha88
Now stamina is a very important factor in this fight. Because of how closely these two are matched it may very well become a war of attrition. Kenobi is also more durable than Dooku and is, overall, in much better shape
Yeah except Kenobi's not going to tax Dooku's stamina even close to the way Skywalker does with his immense raw power. Kenobi can take a lot more than he can dish out.
Chances are Dooku will start winning long before stamina becomes an issue with his highly effective Force enhanced physical attacks.
