Juggernaut vs Namor

He was. In the encyclopedia and handbook entry had him as class 100

Interesting to note just read the new avengers handbook that came out recently and wrecker had an entry in it. They literally said he is all over the place powerwise and tired to explain the contradicting low showings.

Going with Namor.

Originally posted by -K-M-
He was. In the encyclopedia and handbook entry had him as class 100

Interesting to note just read the new avengers handbook that came out recently and wrecker had an entry in it. They literally said he is all over the place powerwise and tired to explain the contradicting low showings.

Originally posted by juggernaut74
Juggernaut willingly took the beating against the wrecking Crew. It's not like they walked in and just beat him up with him fighting back.

How do you figure that Juggernaut let the Wrecking Crew beat him up?

Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
How do you figure that Juggernaut let the Wrecking Crew beat him up?

Depressed doesn't mean that you want to get your ass kicked. I recall Wrecker even stating that there was a time when he would've floored all of them at once. The issue starts with him already on the wrong end of a beating. Just because he lost to them doesn't mean that he wanted it to happen.

Originally posted by juggernaut74
What was his strength level at?

Said at times was low as class 2 to class 75 I believe.

Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
Depressed doesn't mean that you want to get your ass kicked. I recall Wrecker even stating that there was a time when he would've floored all of them at once. The issue starts with him already on the wrong end of a beating. Just because he lost to them doesn't mean that he wanted it to happen.

Originally posted by juggernaut74
So you're saying that issue is viable evidence showing the Wrecking Crew beating Juggernaut?

I'm saying that in that issue, The Wrecking Crew beat Juggernaut, most of it was done off of the page but there's nothing that warrants that he wanted it or that he didn't want to fight back from the start if he ever didn't want to fight back at all. It's been a while since I've read that, but I don't remember Cain at all flat out refusing to fight back or saying how he deserves this. If anything, I thought it was that beating that encouraged him to seek out answers about his power and how to get them fully back.

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Cytorrak was trolling Cain. He could have given him more gas or less, so for all we know Cain in his weakened state could be a class 20 to 100. I'd give the nod to the guy with a static level of optimal strength ( as far as forum rules go). Namor would probably win this. Not a stomp, but he should win eventually.

Originally posted by -K-M-
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After rereading those scans I can honestly say that I don't believe that Cain simply allowed the beating to happen because of depression, especially since there is no narration box giving us an update on his mental state. They slightly imply that he attempted to put up a fight before the issue started and Cain's defiance towards the end also supports that he didn't want to get beat up or lose to them.

Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
After rereading those scans I can honestly say that I don't believe that Cain simply allowed the beating to happen because of depression, especially since there is no narration box giving us an update on his mental state. They slightly imply that he attempted to put up a fight before the issue started and Cain's defiance towards the end also supports that he didn't want to get beat up or lose to them.

Yes, The Wrecking Crew are no slouches, they aren't weak at all. To be honest, they kind of jobbed to the rest of Excalibur in that same issue. They were comically tooled.

Considering the Wrecker one-shotted the Hulk Cain hung in there then.

Yes, it was a decent display of good durability to stay conscious after all of that, including a direct blow from his crowbar.

Wrecker blind sided Colossus also with one shot. Wrecker was in a "OH SH!T THIS F#CKER OS GONNA KILL US" mind set though so he may have put more stroke in the blow.

Juggernuat

Originally posted by -K-M-
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That beating would have messed Namor up.