Juggernaut vs Namor

We talked about this earlier, but I got a scan of the latest handbook entry for Wrecker and confirms his inconsistency. His highest was definitely above class 75, but small steps I suppose.

Does Wrecker himself have any strength feats that aren't crowbar related?

Not really as he is never without the crowbar

Originally posted by -K-M-
[b]Wrecker
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Strength
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Alpha Flight #119 [Vol.1]:
An amped Wrecker from being in a different dimension, causes an earthquake that tears up the street

1. http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t105/DC_CaptainComet/AlphaFlight119-02.jpg
2. http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t105/DC_CaptainComet/AlphaFlight119-03.jpg
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Deadpool: Suicide Kings #5 [Vol.1]:
Here Wrecker tags Spider-Man and sends him over 100 ft into the air

1. http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd199/MachineMan616/dpsk_05_004.jpg
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Defenders #18 [Vol.1]:
Causes an earthquake that uproots the Defenders

1. http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t105/DC_CaptainComet/Defenders_018_17.jpg
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Fantastic Four #355 [Vol.1]:
With one hit Wrecker takes down a multiple story apartment building

1. http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd199/MachineMan616/FantasticFour355-11.jpg
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Fantastic Four #355 [Vol.1]:
Wrecker easily rips open into Thunderball’s prison which is some sort of special metal that can withstand a tank.

1. http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd199/MachineMan616/FantasticFour355-05.jpg
2. http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd199/MachineMan616/FantasticFour355-13.jpg
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Fantastic Four #355 [Vol.1]:
One-shot puts Thing down for a second

1. http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd199/MachineMan616/FantasticFour355-15.jpg
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Fantastic Four #355 [Vol.1]:
Wrecker shrugs his shoulder and removes a building that was on him

1. http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd199/MachineMan616/FantasticFour355-17.jpg
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New Avengers #7 [Vol.1]:
Here Wrecker is easily swatting away Luke Cage, Wolverine and physically tosses Spider-Man and Wolverine a good distance away

1. http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t105/DC_CaptainComet/NewAvengers7_14.jpg
2. http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t105/DC_CaptainComet/NewAvengers7_15-16.jpg
3. http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t105/DC_CaptainComet/NewAvengers7_17.jpg
4. http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t105/DC_CaptainComet/NewAvengers7_18.jpg
5. http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t105/DC_CaptainComet/NewAvengers7_19.jpg
6. http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t105/DC_CaptainComet/newavengers8_p10.jpg
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Thor #148 [Vol.1]:
Wrecker rips down a side of a building.

1. http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t105/DC_CaptainComet/Thor148-12.jpg
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Thor #149 [Vol.1]: Thor
Here Wrecker lifts up an entire building crane with ease and tosses it aside like it’s nothing

1. http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t105/DC_CaptainComet/Thor149-11.jpg
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Thor #149 [Vol.1]: Thor
Here Wrecker literally lifts up an entire apartment building and drops it on Thor

1. http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t105/DC_CaptainComet/Thor149-15.jpg
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Thor #150 [Vol.1]:
With one blow Wreckers rips apart an apartment building

1. http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t105/DC_CaptainComet/Thor150-10.jpg
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Thor #171 [Vol.1]:
Walks through metal doors and breaks a metal safe without much trouble, and then causes a quake with his crowbar

1. http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd199/MachineMan616/Thor171-05.jpg
2. http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd199/MachineMan616/Thor171-06.jpg
3. http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd199/MachineMan616/Thor171-07.jpg
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Thor #171 [Vol.1]:
Throws his crowbar and takes out a truck’s engine

1. http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd199/MachineMan616/Thor171-08.jpg
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Thor #171 [Vol.1]:
Thor says Wrecker’s power is equal to his

1. http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd199/MachineMan616/Thor171-14.jpg
2. http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd199/MachineMan616/Thor171-16.jpg
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Thor #383 [Vol.1]:
Causes an earth quake that uproots Thor

1. http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd199/MachineMan616/Thor_1987_383_20.jpg
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Thunderbolts #1 [Vol.1]:
Threatens to take down the Statue of Liberty

1. http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd199/MachineMan616/Thunderbolts01p30.jpg
2. http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd199/MachineMan616/Thunderbolts01p31.jpg
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Venom - Deathtrap: The Vault #1[Vol.1]:
Wrecker strangles the Blob

1. http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd199/MachineMan616/Venom_Deathtrap_TheVault1.jpg [/B]

if namor throws juggs into the ocean or lake and fights him then he wins.... otherwise hes a goner

Originally posted by -K-M-
Not really as he is never without the crowbar

Originally posted by juggernaut74
What Juggernaut feat do you think is more impressive, Juggies fight with Sasquatch or Hyperion?

Hyperion.

The Alpha Flight issue was written terribly. Snowbird can't be in the states, but she was and was beaten by Angel....Angel! and off-panel. Northstar beat Guardian by ripping apart his suit as for some reason he told Northstar how to do it? Errrrr ok also did they forget he has shields? He also has super speed so he could have returned, but they said he couldn't just 5 miles away. Vindicator the other team leader literally did nothing but stand there and let Iceman freeze her suit even though her powers are geothermal oh and she has shields too. Puck was also taken out from behind like nothing. Also their character portrayals are nothing like that, they were literally acting like villains. If anything it's surprising Sasquatch had a good showing as the writer clearly didn't care to much about Alpha Flight and out of everyone he was the only one that basically wasn't taken out instantly. Ridic.

The Juggernaut/Sasquatch fight was one of the cooler fights in comics I've seen. Good action and art.

Originally posted by juggernaut74
The Juggernaut/Sasquatch fight was one of the cooler fights in comics I've seen. Good action and art.

Nice art doesn't take away it was terribly written and Alpha Flight were only added to make the X-Men look good. Writer ignored their history and powers and were treated as basically fodder. As I said it's shocking Sasquatch was given any kind of respect.

Sasquatch was given a lot of repesct in that issue.

Originally posted by juggernaut74
Sasquatch was given a lot of repesct in that issue.

Not really, his character was brutalized too.

Originally posted by -K-M-
Not really, his character was brutalized too.

Cain is kind of hard to measure these days, he seems to go up, and down as if he's been placed completely at Cytorrak's mercy. In one scene he's struggling against Colossus' max weight, and in the next, he's taking on King Hyperion. This leads me to believe that on a bad day, Namor would beat him down with ease, and on a good day, they'd probably break even.

Originally posted by juggernaut74
You thougt he looked bad in that fight?

It was meh, big complaint is the "wait man" speech. That was ridic. After he came back then it was a decent fight.

Sasquatch blasted his helmet off with a punch and shattered a bunch of windows iirc.

Originally posted by juggernaut74
Sasquatch blasted his helmet off with a punch and shattered a bunch of windows iirc.

but then told him to stop? After they were clearly in a fight? Out of character and ridic.

Originally posted by -K-M-
Nice art doesn't take away it was terribly written and Alpha Flight were only added to make the X-Men look good. Writer ignored their history and powers and were treated as basically fodder. As I said it's shocking Sasquatch was given any kind of respect.

One of Chuck Austen's not-so-fine moments...

That and when Angel ****ed Husk in front of her mom.

Originally posted by juggernaut74
Not sure I agree with that. Right before that he beat Wolverine worse than he's ever had, he scrambled his brains LOL.

Which made.absolutely no sense considering his entire career

Bump.

depowered juggernaut is too much for namor to handle. while depowered he still rocked hyperion, sasquatch, rhino and had very good strength feats overall.

Originally posted by Dareangel
depowered juggernaut is too much for namor to handle. while depowered he still rocked hyperion, sasquatch, rhino and had very good strength feats overall.

He was also beaten up by the Wrecking Crew. At that time he had no static level and was at Cyt's mercy.