Welfare

Started by Time Immemorial4 pages
Originally posted by Robtard
And the people who are physically and/or mentally not capable of working who are on welfare?

Obviously I'm not talking about them. I'm talking about the bums who refuse to do anything and want Obama bucks as video mentioned. Make no mistake this is what people believe.

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
Obviously I'm not talking about them. I'm talking about the bums who refuse to do anything and want Obama bucks as video mentioned. Make no mistake this is what people believe.

If your stance is: "We need Welfare reform." for the purposes of weeding out the abusers and such, then sure, that is a reasonable stance and I agree with you.

But the way you were coming off in here was: "End all Welfare, **** everyone and screw the Welfare loving Liberals!" Just an fyi.

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
Cut it off. Make people get jobs. It's really that simple.

You mean end welfare entirely?

Originally posted by Robtard
If your stance is: "We need Welfare reform." for the purposes of weeding out the abusers and such, then sure, that is a reasonable stance and I agree with you.

But the way you were coming off in here was: "End all Welfare, **** everyone and screw the Welfare loving Liberals!" Just an fyi.

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I think the first and most productive step towards welfare reform is making it illegal to spend welfare funds on drugs and alcohol, and give monthly (or weekly) drug tests to all recipients. If you want weed and beer, you gotta work for it. Beggars can't be choosers.

Originally posted by Lestov16
You mean end welfare entirely?

Drastically reduce it to the very few and sick who need it.

If someone gets money for no work, they will not work.

If someone stops getting money for no work, they will work.

The trouble is that the root of the problem lies within lack of education, and there is no way to force a kid into school/college against their will if they lack a desire to pass. If the youth were properly educated they would have no problem getting jobs. However they grow up uneducated and only qualify for the menial job market, which is ferociously competitive, and when they can't get jobs there, that's when they resort to welfare and/or crime.

I know many entry level jobs that start as high as $19.00 without an education. Why does someone need to go to school necessarily when there is work available here and now. I mean even McDonalds starts at $10.00 an hour now.

I got my job right out of university, so I really don't have any extensive experience when it comes to job searching let alone job searching in the United States.

But I have a hard time believing that there are no jobs for uneducated workers. Going by the video in the opening post it seems to me that the unemployed don't want to work, or at the very least they won't settle for just any job, which is the wrong mentality.

One thing could be to limit what you can purchase with food stamps to the cheaper brands of vegetables, potatoes, rice, pasta, beans, fish and meats. if people want to eat out, buy soda or candy they should have to work.

There are restrictions on what you can and can't buy with food stamps, the allowing of junk food is silly, should be done based on nutritional value, which would weed out candy, soda and most other junk food

Source: http://www.fns.usda.gov/snap/eligible-food-items

edit: nvm, you were saying basically the same thing

Originally posted by Robtard
There are restrictions on what you can and can't buy with food stamps, the junk food thing is silly, should be done based on nutritional value, which would weed out candy, soda and most other junk food

Source: http://www.fns.usda.gov/snap/eligible-food-items


[list][*]Soft drinks, candy, cookies, snack crackers, and ice cream are food items and are therefore eligible items
[*]Seafood, steak, and bakery cakes are also food items and are therefore eligible items[/list][list][*]Energy drinks that have a nutrition facts label are eligible foods[/list]These do not make sense.

Abolish these and you'll see an increase in the demand of jobs.

Originally posted by Astner
I got my job right out of university, so I really don't have any extensive experience when it comes to job searching let alone job searching in the United States.

But I have a hard time believing that there are no jobs for uneducated workers. Going by the video in the opening post it seems to me that the unemployed don't want to work, or at the very least they won't settle for just any job, which is the wrong mentality.

One thing could be to limit what you can purchase with food stamps to the cheaper brands of vegetables, potatoes, rice, pasta, beans, fish and meats. if people want to eat out, buy soda or candy they should have to work.

Agreed on all points.

Originally posted by Astner
[list][*]Soft drinks, candy, cookies, snack crackers, and ice cream are food items and are therefore eligible items
[*]Seafood, steak, and bakery cakes are also food items and are therefore eligible items[/list][list][*]Energy drinks that have a nutrition facts label are eligible foods[/list]These do not make sense.

Abolish these and you'll see an increase in the demand of jobs.

Seems like you're implying that people on assistance who could work, would work, if they couldn't get soda, cookies and candy for free anymore.

Seems a bit of a stretch to me.

Originally posted by Robtard
Seems like you're implying that people on assistance who could work, would work, if they couldn't get soda, cookies and candy for free anymore.

Seems a bit of a stretch to me.


No. What I'm saying is that people who don't work should settle for base foods. It makes no sense that the government should feed them candy, sodas and energy drinks.

Originally posted by Astner
No. What I'm saying is that people who don't work should settle for base foods. It makes no sense that the government should feed them candy, sodas and energy drinks.

Fair enough

Welfare is complete garbage. People will exploit any system in existence and the liberals use the weakness of the system to claim easy votes.

I remember that woman screaming "Obama is gonna pay my mortgage and take care of me!." Right after the first election.

Originally posted by Astner
Abolish these and you'll see an increase in the demand of jobs.

Originally posted by Robtard
Seems like you're implying that people on assistance who could work, would work, if they couldn't get soda, cookies and candy for free anymore.

Seems a bit of a stretch to me.


Originally posted by Astner
No. What I'm saying is that people who don't work should settle for base foods. It makes no sense that the government should feed them candy, sodas and energy drinks.
caught you being inconsistent, Astner. i know you're a supersmart physicist, but i still caught you.

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
Cut it off. Make people get jobs. It's really that simple.

I'm libertarian/liberal/democratic, but I agree.

Feeding people for free is why people don't wanna work to become better individuals.

Yes, it's a good program for the underprivileged, but many lazy ****ers who are physically fit and can apply for jobs are taking advantage of it.

Originally posted by Robtard
And the people who are physically and/or mentally not capable of working who are on welfare?

Wouldn't they be recieving social security/disability benefits as oppossed to traditional welfare?

Originally posted by red g jacks
caught you being inconsistent, Astner.

How am I inconsistent? I think that you should limit what you can buy with food stamps to the essentials. In part to increase the desire of an employment for freeloaders, and in part because refined sugar and caffeine is not something that government should provide as a substitute for food.

As for people selling food stamps, couldn't you just print them out with a name and birth date and then do an ID check at the register?