Originally posted by Robtard
Very odd thing to say, especially the first part.
You're either joking or you are not familiar with both US History and the US Constitution (my assumption is you're joking, just as I was, because you're far too familiar with history to forget how voting was in the nascent US).
When the Constitution was written, only white male property owners (about 10 to 16 percent of the nation's population) had the vote.
http://www.infoplease.com/timelines/voting.html
Originally posted by Robtard
The Obama lying/warmonger is arguable.
Not even the informed US liberals/Dems believe what you're saying, here. Since I almost voted for him solely for his war-related promises/campaign promises (2008), I think that his lies about his warmongering hits a sore spot with me (since, at the time, I had 2 god-brothers serving in Iraq). When he continued down his war-path, I was already used to the idea that he was going to continue to lie about the war stuff. Remember the Gitmo promise? I do.
"We are bringing our troops home from Afghanistan. And I've set a timetable. We will have them all out of there by 2014"
-Obama circa 2012
YouTube video
While Obama is fond of taking credit for ending the war in Iraq, in fact, the Status of Forces Agreement (SOFA) under which all U.S. combat troops were withdrawn at the end of 2011 was signed on November 17, 2008, under the Bush administration. Obama was critical of the SOFA, his publicly stated position being that the troops should be withdrawn sooner. “In contrast,” the New York Times noted at the time, “President-elect Obama had campaigned under a promise to withdraw all American combat brigades from Iraq by May 2010”.Obama not only did not keep that promise, but his administration sought since as early as September 2010 to obtain a new agreement with Iraq under which 15,000 to 20,000 combat troops would remain beyond the deadline at the end of 2011; but “Obama insisted that it could only happen if Maliki requested it”, wrote investigative historian and journalist Gareth Porter, since the White House “was worried about losing support from the Democratic Party’s anti-war base as Congressional mid-term elections approached”. The Wall Street Journal similarly pointed out that “Mr. Obama could face a political backlash at home if he doesn’t meet his campaign pledge to bring troops home from Iraq”, and by April 2011, the U.S. had dropped the number of troops it sought to keep in Iraq down to 10,000. The discussions over a new agreement “face political obstacles in both countries,” the Journal also noted, “and have faltered in recent weeks because of Iraqi worries that a continued U.S. military presence could fuel sectarian tension and lead to protests similar to those sweeping other Arab countries”.
As the Bureau of Investigative Journalism, a U.K.-based non-profit, details on its website, five years ago the CIA conducted the first drone strikes of the Obama presidency. Although there were reports of suspected "militants" killed, at least 14 civilians also died that day.After those initial mistakes, TBIJ notes, Obama rapidly ramped up the drone program in Pakistan and increased its use in Yemen and Somalia, two countries where al Qaeda affiliates expanded their presence during Obama's presidency.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/01/23/obama-drone-program-anniversary_n_4654825.html
And to make it clear how active our troops are:
Deaths by Time Period: Bush
2001-2008 564
Jan 1-19 2009 11
Bush Total: 575
Deaths by Time Period: Obama:
2009 - 2014
Obama Total: 1726
http://icasualties.org/
It is not debatable that Obama lied about his warmongering. This is basic logic.
Of course, you could just be trolling here, too, and just wanted me to reply with a fact-based reply because you agreed with me. It is difficult to tell with you and others, these days, because no one seems to be serious anymore.