DCnU Highfather Vs Bor

Originally posted by carver9
Every New God has been treating Lanterns like fodder though.

You say this as if lanterns were downgraded in power when in fact they haven't nor should they given that non of the reboots (neither FP not COIE) affected them. The New Gods are the ones who have gotten an upgrade since the latest reboot; they were outright stated to be the most powerful race in the multiverse.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Id say high trans. OF Thor was meh

Depends on what you mean by meh. OF Thor certainly wasn't on par with Odin, but he was still powerful enough to beat a skyfather-level character (Desak, who was above the Dark gods and was seen killing Zeus and all olympus in a future vision iirc), and trans characters like Destroyer and Perrikus.

Id say that's impressive. So considering that he did actually beat a skyfather, i can see Bor being on that level despite his loss; especially considering that Thor's OF was more powerful when he confronted Bor than when facing Desak.

Originally posted by operator616
You say this as if lanterns were downgraded in power when in fact they haven't nor should they given that non of the reboots (neither FP not COIE) affected them. The New Gods are the ones who have gotten an upgrade since the latest reboot; they were outright stated to be the most powerful race in the multiverse.

Depends on what you mean by meh. OF Thor certainly wasn't on par with Odin, but he was still powerful enough to beat a skyfather-level character (Desak, who was above the Dark gods and was seen killing Zeus and all olympus in a future vision iirc), and trans characters like Destroyer and Perrikus.

Id say that's impressive. So considering that he did actually beat a skyfather, i can see Bor being on that level despite his loss; especially considering that Thor's OF was more powerful when he confronted Bor than when facing Desak.

Didn't Orion beat the planet though along with some of the best of Lanterns. We know where he stand power wise. Not a knock against the Lanterns, I don't think High Father taking them out isn't an OMG moment.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Hmmm...so you're saying OF Thor beats either?

Based off of his fts, yes. He already beat Bor and I would give Bor the edge here.

New 52 Highfather wins.

Originally posted by carver9
Didn't Orion beat the planet though along with some of the best of Lanterns. We know where he stand power wise. Not a knock against the Lanterns, I don't think High Father taking them out isn't an OMG moment.

He beat Mogo without Mogo actually fighting back (with a surprise attack; iirc by booming on the planet and taking the ring off one of its branches thereby depowering it); Mogo is the most powerful GL, im pretty sure even NGs couldn't stand up to him. Orion did seem superior to Hal though.

I never said that it's a great feat for HF, i was making a statement about New Gods in general.

Originally posted by operator616
He beat Mogo without Mogo actually fighting back (with a surprise attack; iirc by booming on the planet and taking the ring off one of its branches thereby depowering it); Mogo is the most powerful GL, im pretty sure even NGs couldn't stand up to him. Orion did seem superior to Hal though.

I never said that it's a great feat for HF, i was making a statement about New Gods in general.

I would also rate Mogo quite high. High trans to low Skyfather. But yeah Orion seemed superior, reminded me of the first fight between Hal and Superman.

Originally posted by operator616
He beat Mogo without Mogo actually fighting back (with a surprise attack; iirc by booming on the planet and taking the ring off one of its branches thereby depowering it); Mogo is the most powerful GL, im pretty sure even NGs couldn't stand up to him. Orion did seem superior to Hal though.

I never said that it's a great feat for HF, i was making a statement about New Gods in general.

Don't remember it happening like that. I thought i had the comic saved but I don't. What's the issue number? I thought he blitzed the planet, not boom tube. Also, wasnt the planet in combat when this happened? Not saying that you are wrong, just asking.

Gotcha. Misunderstood you.

Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
I would also rate Mogo quite high. High trans to low Skyfather. But yeah Orion seemed superior, reminded me of the first fight between Hal and Superman.

No way.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Mogo a skyfather?

No way.

Just think about that way. If Injustice Superman becomes a Skyfather+ just because of the fear of some billion people, what is a Planet full of sentient beings capable of.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Mogo a skyfather?

No way.

Lol...did you really read that?

Originally posted by carver9
Don't remember it happening like that. I thought i had the comic saved but I don't. What's the issue number? I thought he blitzed the planet, not boom tube. Also, wasnt the planet in combat when this happened? Not saying that you are wrong, just asking.

Gotcha. Misunderstood you.

Just recheck the comic (it's from GL/NG: Godhead #1). He did open a boomtube on Mogo. But i was wrong that Mogo never fought back; it's pointed out that Mogo was altering gravity. I can upload the entire scene but it will take a few minutes seeing as how my internet is very slow.

If Orion hadn't directly boomed on Mogo and came from space, Mogo could've blasted Orion and put him down, the same way he did to Ganthet.

Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
Just think about that way. If Injustice Superman becomes a Skyfather+ just because of the fear of some billion people, what is a Planet full of sentient beings capable of.

Ughhh.....

Originally posted by carver9
Lol...did you really read that?

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Injustice Supes is skyfather+?

Ughhh.....

🙁

Don't listen to Carter, he knows nothing, that is known.

Superman was a HH at least, though the way he killed those Parademons while all other Heroes on Earth struggled and were about to lose, an argument for low Trans could be made. Ganthet flicked him away with his finger and koed him, which would be at least High Trans if not mid Skyfather. Mogo killed a bunch of Sinestro Lanterns and Superman himself didn't dare to tank the Blast but used his speed to safe Sinestro. So we can assume that Mogo is higher, at least mid Trans. Now Superman with the Sinestro ring just spitestomped both, Ganthet and Mogo at the same time. Ganthets dissolving green energies and crumbling Mogo ended dead in the Sun. This makes him at the very least a High end Skyfather. Though I am with BW on this and think he is Elder God level or low Abstract.

Originally posted by operator616
Just recheck the comic (it's from GL/NG: Godhead #1). He did open a boomtube on Mogo. But i was wrong that Mogo never fought back; it's pointed out that Mogo was altering gravity. I can upload the entire scene but it will take a few minutes seeing as how my internet is very slow.

If Orion hadn't directly boomed on Mogo and came from space, Mogo could've blasted Orion and put him down, the same way he did to Ganthet.

Taking him down easily like that though is the questionable part. Even with the boom tube. How long did it take, a couple of panels. Also, as you stated, he was altering gravity so I'm pretty sure Orion felt and withstood some of that. He attacked him head on (after the boom tube of course). If you can, can you upload it? If you can't, just let me know and I will go back and read it.

Regarding Mogo: What does injustice have to do with mainstream universe?

Anyway, i wouldnt put Mogo in the skyfather tier. He was implied to be below Guardian-level and there was a 90s GL Annual where Kyle owned a resurrected Mogo (even though Mogo was technically alive in that period they treated him as if he was dead).

He does have a few good feats though. He put down Ganthet at one point; absorbed hundreds of Black Lanterns into his being; and cut all GLs from Volthoom's (a reality warper) influence and created constructs for each of them to fight to hype them up for a battle against Volthoom.

Originally posted by carver9
Taking him down easily like that though is the questionable part. Even with the boom tube. How long did it take, a couple of panels. Also, as you stated, he was altering gravity so I'm pretty sure Orion felt and withstood some of that. He attacked him head on (after the boom tube of course). If you can, can you upload it? If you can't, just let me know and I will go back and read it.

Here's the entire scene:

http://i.imgur.com/XeJ3xVB.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/8aG45FL.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/T1lb4Hc.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/cNIY6le.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/nRnEaO4.jpg

Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
Don't listen to Carter, he knows nothing, that is known.

Superman was a HH at least, though the way he killed those Parademons while all other Heroes on Earth struggled and were about to lose, an argument for low Trans could be made. Ganthet flicked him away with his finger and koed him, which would be at least High Trans if not mid Skyfather. Mogo killed a bunch of Sinestro Lanterns and Superman himself didn't dare to tank the Blast but used his speed to safe Sinestro. So we can assume that Mogo is higher, at least mid Trans. Now Superman with the Sinestro ring just spitestomped both, Ganthet and Mogo at the same time. Ganthets dissolving green energies and crumbling Mogo ended dead in the Sun. This makes him at the very least a High end Skyfather. Though I am with BW on this and think he is Elder God level or low Abstract.

Umm are you sure you know what a high end skyfather can do?

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
So you're telling me Inj Supes is a skyfather+ based on those feats?

Umm are you sure you know what a high end skyfather can do?

Yeah, can't lift Thors hammer, can't put Thor down. I know most people use the Galaxy feat but it was a one time only instance and thus kind of pointless compared to what Odin does all the time.

Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
Yeah, can't lift Thors hammer, can't put Thor down. I know most people use the Galaxy feat but it was a one time only instance and thus kind of pointless compared to what Odin does all the time.

If you think that Odin has only one galactic feat then you're hugely misinformed. He's got plenty of feats and fights that constantly establish him on a level where the galaxy busting feat is nearly (perhaps not exactly but nearly) an average one.

And it wasn't one time; it was two times. One in the 70s, the other in the 90s.

Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
Yeah, can't lift Thors hammer, can't put Thor down. I know most people use the Galaxy feat but it was a one time only instance and thus kind of pointless compared to what Odin does all the time.

Originally posted by operator616
If you think that Odin has only one galactic feat then you're hugely misinformed. He's got plenty of feats and fights that constantly establish him on a level where the galaxy busting feat is nearly (perhaps not exactly but nearly) an average one.

And it wasn't one time; it was two times. One in the 70s, the other in the 90s.