Ms. Marvel vs Namora

Originally posted by Mike82
The fight was pretty even until Namora punched Carol through the roof. If Namora dominates in a close quarters fight, then she should dominate this fight as well. Without the seawater, I'm opretty sure Carol still would have won. Namora pinned Carol down rather easily.

Carol's feats were impressive, but it was nothing compared to Namora punching Carol to the stratosphere and Namora wasn't even harmed all that much, thanks to her incredible durability. Carol was left lying on the floor with a bloody nose, and to top it off, the ship was sinking. Had Venus not intervened, Namora would have put her in a hospital.

Bit of an exaggeration in terms of the extent of Namora's dominance. She initially had Carol pinned simply because shes stronger. That stands to reason and is why a close quarters grappling match would be dominated by Namora.

But Carol doesnt have to fight like that and knowing Namoras considerably stronger she wouldnt. As shown her energy powers are very effective and damaging to Namora and can weaken her sufficiently for Carol to finish it with her fists. Carol is also capable of interstellar flight demonstrating shes a far faster flier as well. She could fly circles around Namora and blast the hell out of her until its over. She doesnt have to get in close to win whereas Namoras ONLY option is to get in close and thats a major disadvantage when shes slower and the opponent can damage you long distance.

Instead of limiting your perspective to a CIS saturated story, be objective, look at their comparative powersets and how they can fare in a hypothetical battle.

Carol wins the majority as shes demonstrably faster, can evade and cause major damage long range without allowing Namora to bring her strengths (up close combat) to play.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Bit of an exaggeration in terms of the extent of Namora's dominance. She initially had Carol pinned simply because shes stronger. That stands to reason and is why a close quarters grappling match would be dominated by Namora.

But Carol doesnt have to fight like that and knowing Namoras considerably stronger she wouldnt. As shown her energy powers are very effective and damaging to Namora and can weaken her sufficiently for Carol to finish it with her fists. Carol is also capable of interstellar flight demonstrating shes a far faster flier as well. She could fly circles around Namora and blast the hell out of her until its over. She doesnt have to get in close to win whereas Namoras ONLY option is to get in close and thats a major disadvantage when shes slower and the opponent can damage you long distance.

Instead of limiting your perspective to a CIS saturated story, be objective, look at their comparative powersets and how they can fare in a hypothetical battle.

Carol wins the majority as shes demonstrably faster, can evade and cause major damage long range without allowing Namora to bring her strengths (up close combat) to play.

Carol's ability to fly at more than 3x the speed of sound is really useless in a very confined space such as a ship. Whatever speed advantage Carol has over Namora would be nullified by that fact. What other advantage does Carol have? Energy blasts were very successful in putting some distance between the two, but even then, it didn't seem to harm her that much other than knock her back. Also, if we are to assume that they have similar durability, Carol was hurting a lot more from Namora's punch, than Namora was, even with all of Carol's combined attacks.

Originally posted by zopzop
Yup. Venus actually saved Carol's ass from an unnecessary and brutal beating.

Nah. Venus saved the whole Avengers team. Who else was going to challenge her after she just flattened Ms Marvel like it was nothing. Luke Cage? Pfft.

Originally posted by Mike82
Nah. Venus saved the whole Avengers team. Who else was going to challenge her after she just flattened Ms Marvel like it was nothing. Luke Cage? Pfft.

Originally posted by zopzop
Oh, I'm not disagreeing with you there. I fully believe Namora would have wrecked that Avengers team once Carol was taken out.

If Carol still needed to be taken out at that point. I'm sure after stomping Her to the ground, Namora would only have to toss her around a few times and punch her a couple more times and she would definitely be out for the count. The New Avengers would be in serious trouble then. Seriously, they need Hulk or Thor to fight Namora.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Bit of an exaggeration in terms of the extent of Namora's dominance. She initially had Carol pinned simply because shes stronger. That stands to reason and is why a close quarters grappling match would be dominated by Namora.

But Carol doesnt have to fight like that and knowing Namoras considerably stronger she wouldnt. As shown her energy powers are very effective and damaging to Namora and can weaken her sufficiently for Carol to finish it with her fists. Carol is also capable of interstellar flight demonstrating shes a far faster flier as well. She could fly circles around Namora and blast the hell out of her until its over. She doesnt have to get in close to win whereas Namoras ONLY option is to get in close and thats a major disadvantage when shes slower and the opponent can damage you long distance.

Instead of limiting your perspective to a CIS saturated story, be objective, look at their comparative powersets and how they can fare in a hypothetical battle.

Carol wins the majority as shes demonstrably faster, can evade and cause major damage long range without allowing Namora to bring her strengths (up close combat) to play.

Agreed. Namora would dominate in a close quarter match, but out in the open Namora would likely lose, or have to work very hard for the majority.

Originally posted by Mike82
Carol's ability to fly at more than 3x the speed of sound is really useless in a very confined space such as a ship. Whatever speed advantage Carol has over Namora would be nullified by that fact. What other advantage does Carol have? Energy blasts were very successful in putting some distance between the two, but even then, it didn't seem to harm her that much other than knock her back. Also, if we are to assume that they have similar durability, Carol was hurting a lot more from Namora's punch, than Namora was, even with all of Carol's combined attacks.

Nah. Venus saved the whole Avengers team. Who else was going to challenge her after she just flattened Ms Marvel like it was nothing. Luke Cage? Pfft.

Originally posted by juggernaut74
Luke Cage gave Namor a tussle. He'd do even better against Namora.

Nah. Namora is roughly Namor's equal.

Originally posted by juggernaut74
Luke Cage gave Namor a tussle. He'd do even better against Namora.

Was that Avengers vs Xmen? Cage is a street level superhero with lower level feats than heavy hitters like Namor, Namora, and even Ms Marvel.

What feats does Namora have that put her in Namor level?

Originally posted by juggernaut74
What feats does Namora have that put her in Namor level?

Blitzed Thor, and dragged him through the ocean and temporarily trapped him in a maelstrom.

Traded blows with the Hulk

Socked Namor, actually bruising him.

She lifted a ship out of the water, and placed it on a bigger ship(Ships way at least hundreds of tons).

In a fit of rage, she ripped a mine in half with her bare hands. It exploded, but didn't hurt her at all

Wrestled Hercules to the ground(Although, she was being more playful than anything).

Beats the hell out of a dude with a helicopter and easily tosses it away with on hand.

She fought a machine built to fight WWH.

Namora easily tanked an exploding arrow

Destroyed a whaling ship just by flying through it.

Destroyed a spaceship just by flying through it.

Ripped off the top of a battleship and chucks it.

Beats Ms Marvel senseless.

Seriously, Namora is no joke. It has also been alleged that Namora is just as powerful as Namor.

You have scans of the Hulk fight?

Originally posted by juggernaut74
You have scans of the Hulk fight?

It's easier if I just give you the link to Namora's respect thread.

Here: Namora Respect Thread

Namora has been stated to be roughly equal to namor,though namor appears to be more durable.

Originally posted by juggernaut74
Luke Cage gave Namor a tussle. He'd do even better against Namora.

Namor knocked his ass out and used him as a bat to oneshot she hulk.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Captain Marvel ftw. The fight was quite evenly matched. Carols faster more versatile and has sufficient physical strength to hurt Namora and energy projection abilities that as demonstrated can lay her out. Namoras physically stronger and can dominate in close quarters.

That single confrontation doesnt give us a definitive outcome. Namora was initially able to pin Carol, Carol blasted the hell out of her and then smashed her through the floor. She would've lost if not for the recharge from the sea water. Plus theres no guarantee if the fight wasnt interrupted by Venus that Namora wouldve won.

Both of them can gain wins here, but Carols got more options and is faster. I give her the majority.

That was a dry namora vs carol using all her powers,a hydrated namora blitzed and 2 shotted her,unless this is a dry namora from the start,she beats carol into the ground again.

Seeing as carol was bloodied and semi conscious while namora was unscathed,if venus hadn't interfered,she would have been put in a coma.

Originally posted by Genii96
That was a dry namora vs carol using all her powers,a hydrated namora blitzed and 2 shotted her,unless this is a dry namora from the start,she beats carol into the ground again.

Seeing as carol was bloodied and semi conscious while namora was unscathed,if venus hadn't interfered,she would have been put in a coma.

Exactly! With a hydrated Namora, Carol is jobbing hard. Carol went from having a slight edge in the fight to bloodied, barely conscious in a matter of seconds. I bet a dry Namora still could have won. Land or sea, Namora was way more impressive feats than Carol's. Besides, the confined spaces would worked more to her favor.

Yeah, I'm still mad at Venus. The ass beating was just starting to get good. Still, I liked how Venus was taking things over. There was no need to fight anymore, but Namora just didn't care, she was having to much fun stomping Ms Marvel. I don't know about Carol in a comma. Namora would have shown a little mercy. Although, she has been known to have some serious anger management issues. She almost killed that dude who threatened the robot.

I would like see a rematch though. The current Captain Marvel version seemed very powerful in Hickman's Avengers in which she blitzed Hulk, smashing into him, creating a massive crater. Carol gets one shotted into space, but it speakes volumes of her durability. Carol also KOed Captain Britain off panel who is almost class 100. I think Carol would do better, but a hydrated Namora would still destroys her.

Here's Carol going up against Hulk in Avengers 39:

I think Marvel amped Carol's power levels for that stunt. I don't know what's up with her back, though. It just looks wrong.

Originally posted by Genii96
Namora has been stated to be roughly equal to namor,though namor appears to be more durable.

Namor knocked his ass out and used him as a bat to oneshot she hulk.

Originally posted by Mike82
It's easier if I just give you the link to Namora's respect thread.

Here: Namora Respect Thread

Originally posted by juggernaut74
Now that I'm thinking about it didn't Ms. Marvel have a good showing vs Wonder Man?

What is Ms. Marvels official strength rating? 70 tons iirc. Namoras is 75 tons(while in water) I believe. So strength is pretty close but Namora is too fast and adept to fighting imo.

Originally posted by juggernaut74
What is Ms. Marvels official strength rating? 70 tons iirc. Namoras is 75 tons(while in water) I believe. So strength is pretty close but Namora is too fast and adept to fighting imo.

Originally posted by zopzop
Strength rating is meaningless. Namorita is CL75 and Namora one shotted her.