KMC Star Wars Community Tier effort

*Lightsaber Only*

Tier 10

Darth Sidious
Yoda
Mace Windu
Darth Plagueis
GM Luke

Tier 9

Darth Tenebrous
Darth Caedus
Count Dooku
TCW Darth Maul
Obi-Wan Kenobi
Anakin Skywalker
Darth Krayt
Darth Venamis

Tier 8

Ben Kenobi
Darth Vader (close to 9 due to his skill improvement in RotJ)
TPM Darth Maul (close to 9)
Savage Opress (8.5)
RotJ Luke (close to 9)
Plo Koon
Asajj Ventress (8.5)
Qui-Gon Jinn
Sora Bulq
Kit Fisto
Lumiya (close to 9)
Exar Kun
Ulic
Saba Sebatyne
Jaina Solo (close to 9)
Kyle Katarn
Luminara Unduli
Darth Malgus
Cade Skywalker
Darth Bane

Originally posted by ares834
Not so sure why people want a tier list so badly. Our opinions differ so differently that a tier list would serve almost no purpose.

True.

It will be the way you want, but from my experience in creating Tiers, we should use top/mid/low degrees. In a list of all time, there will be far too much characters in one tier. Like say, Plo, Kenobi, Opress. And we should somehow state, that Kenobi is more advanced Tier X fighter, then Opress for example

I posted that from CV for a general outline, it doesn't have to specifically be as shown on there. Regarding Sidious I think he should be in the same tier as Sidious, Caedus, etc- not all of us are going to agree on placement but the positions are shown by feats not by opinions. They could be placed by indicators like high-mid-low, it depends on how it works with everyone.

It's much more simple way to state how good those guys are. And this is my proposition for a tier 9. I'm not sure if Plagueis shouldn't be a low Tier 9. If not, then top 8 Tier?

In terms of skill Plagueis's is hard to gauge given we don't know much about Venamis. Based on his showings he's implied to have a high level of skill, and based on his fight with Venamis one can surmise that. On CV we had him as too vague.

Nope. Sidious didn't show himself in DE as better duelist ten his ROTS self. He just became so powerful, that he could use a Force strom.
Anyway, accroding to ROTS script and movie, Yoda was better in a pure lightsaber fight. By margin, but better.

He beat Luke in an ailing sickened cloned body, that's a pretty impressive feat for Sidious imo.

@Marco are you making your list based on overall, I can agree with a lot of your placements but you might want to break it down to high-mid-low markers (like you're doing with the numbers).

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
That being said, we probably need two tier lists. One for the PT half of the forum, the other for the TOR half of the forum.

Why would that be the case? On Comicvine TOR characters are ranked alongside everyone else in power, skill, and overall ability. We're not all going to agree on placement, that's just how it is. But some characters are going to be placed with others based on some degree of commonality of their showings/

I also think there should be only Physical prowess tier too, if there is only Skill tier, because it can be unfair for some characters such Savage, Scabrous, Malgus, Mace, Maul, Bruu Jun-Fan etc. since they also rely on physical strength and force combat, not only pure skill.

You could make that as well. I don't see any reason not too. But there would have to be others interested in it as well

Eh. The overall tier is where physical stats come in to play. Making a physical tier is kind of pointless because you then need to make sub-tiers for strength, durability, speed ect, and there are some characters with little to no physical feats, meaning it'd be pretty pointless for the most part.

Does anyone else think Luke should really get his own tier?

I'd say so. Maybe have DE Palps on his tier.

Probably. They're each the most powerful of the Sith/Jedi.

Agreed then.

Tier 10: Grand Master Luke Skywalker/Darth Sidious (Dark Empire)

Now come the lower ones.

I think he needs his own dueling tier, otherwise tier 10 would be vacant. You could put Sidious and Yoda in tier 10 but the whole basis for the tiering system - Cin Drallig's statements - contradicts that, because Yoda, Sidious, Mace and Anakin are tier 9 duelists.

IIRC Luke is in tier 10 power alongside prime Sidious in our thread.

I don't think they're going by the whole lightsaber/force/overall system you devised. Or at least no one other than Marco actually made a list along those parameters

No point in even making tiers, no one will follow it,

It helps noobs understand characters better without having to do loads of research. People have been making decent threads on CV without knowing much about the characters because of the thread.

If its made then Neph, Fated, and DMB have no reasons to report anyone falsely anymore, because the character placement will be defined at least somewhat.

Marco why do you have Unduli above the Exile?

Luminara, Cade, and Bane should be tier 7 to varying degrees in my opinion, Kenobi should be tier 8 and Vader and Maul tier 9? or 8.5 along with Windu/Dooku/Lumiya. Where exactly does the Exile rank in dueling skill?

Originally posted by carthage
Luminara, Cade, and Bane should be tier 7 to varying degrees in my opinion, Kenobi should be tier 8 and Vader and Maul tier 9? or 8.5 along with Windu/Dooku/Lumiya. Where exactly does the Exile rank in dueling skill?

http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?t=777740

*shrug*

Above Unduli for sure.

Yeah, Luminara being a tier 7 sounds good to me.

She might be above her in terms of force ability, but who has she beaten that places her above Luminara fighting evenly with Ventress?

Just curious. Concering skill who has she beaten that'd put her above Bane, Cade, Quinlan, or Luminara?

Exile would kill Luminara via mere presence.