Originally posted by ILS
Vodo-Siosk Baas is overrated according to you, the most overrated Jedi Master to quote.Obi-Wan Kenobi is a Jedi Master, and by thinking AotC Kenobi vs Maul is a fair fight you are overrating Kenobi very heavily.
See the correlation?
No because AOTCs Kenobi is a Knight. Nice try though.
Originally posted by Lord Stark
So you think that a little bit of Force Rage give Kenobi a greater power up than 10 years of training + Mastery of a new lightsaber form?
Wasn't "some force rage" all Maul had to even the odds when he'd not fought in 10+ years in TCW? Yet he comes back and consistently stalemates TCW Kenobi. And it was late into TCW as well.
I'd personally say AOTC Kenobi wasn't even TPM Qui-Gon's equal yet.
I understand your logic about it being 10 years passing, but there's just no proof or feats to show Kenobi vastly improved in those 10 years. He may have just been using those 10 years to focus more on the philosophical side of being a Jedi, in his skills as a negotiator and on his mentoring of Anakin.
And then when the war began dedicated most his training to combat.
I'm sure there was a moderate improvement in combat prowess for Kenobi between TPM and AOTC, but his real focus on combat came after AOTC Imho.
Force rage has greater effects on the Jedi since they would never use it and it is kind of forbidden, on the other hand Sith always uses force rage / dark rage and that is the reason they are usually more powerful than the Jedi.
Clearly AotC Kenobi is more skilled than amped TPM Kenobi, but amped TPM Kenobi might be faster and stronger, especially since TPM Kenobi was already ready to be a Jedi Knight and he was 24 years old in TPM (Kenobi is older than Maul by 2 years), his physical abilities at the top imo, he was even quicker than Qui-Gon. He just needed more skill and experience which he completed those in TCW / RotS.
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Wasn't "some force rage" all Maul had to even the odds when he'd not fought in 10+ years in TCW? Yet he comes back and consistently stalemates TCW Kenobi. And it was late into TCW as well.
The only time Maul fought Kenobi he was at a disadvantage though.
I'd personally say AOTC Kenobi wasn't even TPM Qui-Gon's equal yet.
I mean he nearly defeated Jango Fett who babyshook multiple Jedi with his bare hands.
I understand your logic about it being 10 years passing, but there's just no proof or feats to show Kenobi vastly improved in those 10 years. He may have just been using those 10 years to focus more on the philosophical side of being a Jedi, in his skills as a negotiator and on his mentoring of Anakin.
He mastered an entirely new form, trained Anakin in swordsmanship + clearly retained his skills in Ataru as per ROTS.
I'm sure there was a moderate improvement in combat prowess for Kenobi between TPM and AOTC, but his real focus on combat came after AOTC Imho.
More than moderate imo.
Ah that is true @DP,
this is kind of TPM Darth Maul vs. more powerful AotC Kenobi ;
This duel was before Darth Maul's power improvement in TCW, so AotC Kenobi has no chance to win this, since his more powerful TCW version failed to do it.
Originally posted by McP
@MarcoBoth, Kenobi and Maul were in terrible shape when they fought each other in TCW S4.
I believe Mother Talzin somehow make a memory magic for Maul, his insane state was clearly fixed and he wasn't in a bad physical shape since Maul was hunting in Lotho Minor as a spider-monster, he even fought with Savage Opress in a H2H.
As for Kenobi, he is actually pretty durable and he probably healed after that, but I agree he was in a good shape there.
Originally posted by Marco1907
Ah that is true @DP,this is kind of TPM Darth Maul vs. more powerful AotC Kenobi ;
This duel was before Darth Maul's power improvement in TCW, so AotC Kenobi has no chance to win this, since his more powerful TCW version failed to do it.
Actually that Maul was definitely Inferior to TPM Maul. Because it was literally he first Saber fight in 10+years after just adjusting to his new legs on top.
But to be fair Kenobi wasn't exactly in peak form either having just been beaten up earlier. But Broken, Completely Out of Practice Maul also held his own against Ventress in that fight.
