Originally posted by Lord StarkI mean he nearly defeated Jango Fett who babyshook multiple Jedi with his bare hands.
Which wasn't exactly impressive in this thread considering Maul would completely batter Jango Fett.
Even Qui-Gon who was Easily a Council Level Master and one of the best swordsmen in the Galaxy would almost certainly take Jango without too much effort.
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Actually that Maul was definitely Inferior to TPM Maul. Because it was literally he first Saber fight in 10+years after just adjusting to his new legs on top.But to be fair Kenobi wasn't exactly in peak form either having just been beaten up earlier. But Broken, Completely Out of Practice Maul also held his own against Ventress in that fight.
Yes but his DS powers had intensified + he had begun to use Sidious' Sith teachings rather than behave like a mere assassin. Broken Maul also has the massive advantage of his talons.
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Which wasn't exactly impressive in this thread considering Maul would completely batter Jango Fett.
Even Qui-Gon who was Easily a Council Level Master and one of the best swordsmen in the Galaxy would almost certainly take Jango without too much effort.
I think you're downplaying Jango. He'd take him down but it'd be with effort. Council level means nothing to him as per Trebor excellent
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Actually that Maul was definitely Inferior to TPM Maul. Because it was literally he first Saber fight in 10+years after just adjusting to his new legs on top.
I am not sure about without saber exercise, since there is a possibility that Maul and Savage could've been sparring each other before that duel.
Originally posted by Lord Stark
So you think that a little bit of Force Rage give Kenobi a greater power up than 10 years of training + Mastery of a new lightsaber form?
Except that he wasn't a master of Soresu as AotC. Kenobi was never a match for Maul in TPM; there was one point where his reckless tactics at the end caught Maul by surprise, but he quickly reassumed control of the situation.
Originally posted by Lord Stark
Yes but his DS powers had intensified + he had begun to use Sidious' Sith teachings rather than behave like a mere assassin. Broken Maul also has the massive advantage of his talons.
Hey? There's nothing to suggest his Dark Side powers increased by "Revenge." He'd just been revived. His Rage and Focus made him a more powerful opponent over the next few months though (certainly by Revival).
Originally posted by Lord Stark
Considering his performance against the inferior Vizsla at the height of his power I don't see him doing that much better in TPM.
Who said Vizsla was inferior to Jango? Vizsla was the leader of a warrior tribe- "Only the strongest shall rule." Just one of that tribe sent to kill Satine in "Duchess of Madalore" gave Kenobi hell.
Plus Vizsla has his Dark Saber which he wields with Amazing Saber skills. That obviously helps when a Jedi/Sith gets close to him (Jango Fett dies as soon as Windu gets close, and Boba Fett gets downed by ROTJ Luke as soon as he gets too close to him).
Originally posted by Lord Stark
I think you're downplaying Jango. He'd take him down but it'd be with effort. Council level means nothing to him as per Trebor excellent
Trebor was on the Council. Whereas Qui-Gon was easily Council level, and one of the best swordsmen in the Galaxy.
And I've already pointed out how even Post AOTC Kenobi struggles against a Death Watch assassin.
Originally posted by NewGuy01
Except that he wasn't a master of Soresu as AotC. Kenobi was never a match for Maul in TPM; there was one point where his reckless tactics at the end caught Maul by surprise, but he quickly reassumed control of the situation.
And this is the point I should have made in the first place, instead of getting so off-track.
Originally posted by Lord Stark
^Had you have done that I would have conceded as I am now.
Lol Yeah. I'm too long winded. Need a bit more Newguy's style to me.
Originally posted by Lord Stark
While its logical that AOTCs Kenobi should have surpassed Maul, all of his feats and accolades happen after.
I don't necessarily even agree with the logic.
Considering Maul was a match for both Qui-Gon and Kenobi combined, and Kenobi wasn't yet even Qui-Gon's equal, there was really never any guarantee Kenobi would even become a match for Maul just due to time.
Of course he did become a match for him (even surpassed TPM Maul) but there was never a guarantee of that Imho.
What I would say would have been a logical assumption is for Kenobi to have surpassed TPM Qui-Gon in time (considering he wasn't much below him even in TPM). And that by AOTC he should have easily been his equal. But the actual evidence and feats doesn't even show that to be the case as of AOTC.
So even though "Time" is a necessity for long term and consistent improvement, it's by no means a guarantee of a Power Up.
Shit, wrong thread. Here we go:
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=606495&from=thread&pagenumber=1#post15016378
