Darth Vader, Exar Kun, and Darth Malgus vs. Darth Bane, Darth Krayt, and Wrath II

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Darth Vader, Exar Kun, and Darth Malgus vs. Darth Bane, Darth Krayt, and Wrath II

Which team takes this?

Team 1 handily.

Bane is an inferior duelist to any of the three, and the power ratio is skewered heavily into team 1's favor as well.

Wrath would lose to any of team 1 as well. Krayt can't carry his team

What-if I switched Vader and Wrath around?

If you switched Vader and Wrath around, I'd totally side with team two.

I'm not sure Bane could beat Wrath

Beating Baras is a better feat of skill than anything shown by Bane

Not sure though who'd win, Vader can defeat Kun in a brutal fight, but Malgus and Krayt I'm not sure about. Malgus or Kun would kill Bane without much difficulty via superior power and superior skill

I'd still lean team 1 at least 6/10

Vader is the top dog here and wrath is the bottom. Bane and Krayt put up a good fight, but in the end, no dice

If you guys had to rank them from strongest to weakest, how would it look?

1. Darth Vader
2. Exar Kun
3. Darth Malgus/Darth Krayt

Not sure who'd win between Bane and Wrath.

Kun is the most powerful here, Vader is the most dominant here and Malgus is basically Vader with less skill but better Force powers.

Probably team 1 8/10.

Team 2. Krayt can beat Malgus and Vader, both of them have extensive injuries that make them very susceptible to Dark Transfer and both are slower than him and have been tagged by people slower than Krayt. He will get the hand on them and kill them. Bane can beat anyone and Wrath can give anyone a great fight (except maybe Malgus).

Orbalisk Bane rampages if he's here.

Vader has been susceptible to one person's lightning, even Starkiller's only damaged him temporarily so Krayt's Dark Transfer lightning isn't going to be as OP as you imply.

Bane has no feats off nexus that haven't been replicated by any of his opponents, take into account nexus feats and Bane is severely outstretched here.

Ol' Wrathy however is inferior evidently to Malgus and by extension either of Malgus' superior allies.

Dark Transfer isn't lightning, it pours Force into wounds and injuries and makes them shit out damage by dramatically worsening them. Vader is one of the most wounded, scarred people in star wars, he'd be dead instantly.

Yeah but he isn't so I stand by what I said.

I didn't say he wasn't. But he would give a decent fight. Also Malgus is superior to Vader and arguably close to equal to Kun.

Krayt's version is.

But he is, Vader and Kun when applied with nexus feats would semi-stomp him.

No, Vader is considerably more skilled, has greater telekinesis and can take many times the damage. Malgus' only advantages are Force Lightning and Maelstrom.

This is pretty lopsided in favor of team 1 unless this is Krayt Reborn in which case he's still encumbered by dead weight in the form of Bane and Wrath.

Originally posted by AncientPower
Krayt's version is.

But he is, Vader and Kun when applied with nexus feats would semi-stomp him.

No, Vader is considerably more skilled, has greater telekinesis and can take many times the damage. Malgus' only advantages are Force Lightning and Maelstrom.

All version's resemble lightning. But the technique isn't lightning at all.

Ahahaha, yeah sure thing bro. Remind me, didn't most of Kun's best feats actually take place on nexuses as well? Hmmm.

His telekinesis isn't better than Malgus'. If anything it's worse. Plus he's much shittier at using it effectively against opponents, which is to say he doesn't. And Vader can still get his arm cut off by Tsui Choi and get effed up in general. If Vader needs his durability then that indicates inferiority to Malgus on it's own (you're exaggerating his durability advantage btw). I'd also challenge his supposed vast lead in skill. Like Vader, Malgus has dueled against and defeated some of the premier duelists of his time. And unlike Vader, he isn't hampered by his armor and injuries. Vader isn't beating Malgus in a duel before Malgus overcomes him with lightning.


His telekinesis isn't better than Malgus'. If anything it's worse.

Pfft.

Plus he's much shittier at using it effectively against opponents, which is to say he doesn't.

Sure. Say, you ever seen... Any one of the on-screen fight Malgus has been featured in?

I'm seeing like one Force push in each.

(you're exaggerating his durability advantage btw)

I wouldn't say so. It's ultimately what changed the tide in his fight with the Maul clone.

Vader isn't beating Malgus in a duel before Malgus overcomes him with lightning.

On the contrary, Magus won't take him down with lightning at all.

Originally posted by AncientPower
Kun is the most powerful here, Vader is the most dominant here and Malgus is basically Vader with less skill but better Force powers.

Probably team 1 8/10.

How is he less skilled than Bane? Bane hasn't beaten anyone other than one Sith trainee? Either three of them would stomp him in a duel. He isn't skilled enough to best any of them. Malgus is also vastly more powerful than non nexus Bane

Ahahaha, yeah sure thing bro. Remind me, didn't most of Kun's best feats actually take place on nexuses as well? Hmmm

Lmao no. He killed Odan Urr off a darkside paralyzed an entire senate off nexus, killed Vodo off nexus. Bane is the one who is virtually featless off a darkside world.

Originally posted by NewGuy01
Pfft.

Sure. Say, you ever seen... Any one of the on-screen fight Malgus has been featured in?

I'm seeing like one Force push in each.

I wouldn't say so. It's ultimately what changed the tide in his fight with the Maul clone.

On the contrary, Magus won't take him down with lightning at all.

Vader is slightly overhyped in TK imo. I confess to having some part in promoting that impression. But I don't feel Vader is better than Malgus in that respect.

He uses the Force very effectively in his other fights. In Swtor, Deceived and the Third Lesson his Force powers are used decisively and well.

That was a contrived and special circumstance. I wouldn't think it adequate to argue the point of it's usefulness in a versus thread. However, I was more talking about how his durability compared to Malgus' is exaggerated. Malgus also tanked Malcolm's assualt cannon (said to match the firepower of an entire squad), a thermal detonator, Satele's Kamehameha and a cliff falling on top of him and was still able to go and stomp 2 Jedi in a fight afterwards. His armor can also turn aside lightsaber blows and isn't as restrictive as Vader's. So I don't see his durability as a large advantage over Malgus.

If he doesn't, it would at least weaken him significantly enough to beat him with other means.

facepalm

Malgus has brought down a Wroshyr tree and a massive hut, brought down an entire mining crane/mining unit, hasn't collapsed a cathedral, hasn't crushed massive droids, hasn't destroyed massive ships, blown a hole through durasteel, hasn't brought down a massive tree, hasn't choked out Starkiller/Galen Marek, and crushed a tie fighter mid flight.

Yeah, Vader's TK is overrated 👆

But I rest my case, any of the three duelists would soundly destroy Bane in a duel and Krayt can't carry either Wrath or Bane