Vader is slightly overhyped in TK imo. I confess to having some part in promoting that impression. But I don't feel Vader is better than Malgus in that respect.
You say this, it sounds reasonable, but the question is why?
Vader has brought down cathedrals, pinned Aurra Sing to the floor casually, crushed TIE fighters, thrown massive platforms, and has sent small armies flying with TK. He's of the highest plane of telekinetics.
What does Malgus have that's superior to any of that?
He uses the Force very effectively in his other fights. In Swtor, Deceived and the Third Lesson his Force powers are used decisively and well.
The same can be said for Vader, though. In some of his portrayals he uses the Force more freely and effectively than others; in some he tends to rely almost exclusively on his dueling prowess.
If he doesn't, it would at least weaken him significantly enough to beat him with other means.
I'm not so sure it will ever hit him, but even if it does I'm not convinced it will weaken him so significantly; Starkiller's best didn't do him in without external damages to his suit, and a working knowledge of it.
Originally posted by NewGuy01
You say this, it sounds reasonable, but the question is why?Vader has brought down cathedrals, pinned Aurra Sing to the floor casually, crushed TIE fighters, thrown massive platforms, and has sent small armies flying with TK. He's of the highest plane of telekinetics.
What does Malgus have that's superior to any of that?
And Malgus has held up and blown away the rubble of two buildings then gone on to suggest he could easily out-TK the person who dropped them on him, toss around Satele, Zallow, Adraas and Leneer, held a shuttle in place against it's engines for a good while, Force Wave the Imperial Strike team and ragdoll 3 members of the team whilst fighting the 4th. Personally speaking I find most of the TOR Force classes to be very comparable to Vader so any of them getting ragdolled while fighting another is massively impressive. Nothing that you said is above what Malgus is capable of in my opinion.
And Vader is on the second highest plane of telekinetics at best. The highest level is made up of Nihilus, Hord, Sidious, Vitiate, Plagueis, Bane, Luke etc. Pinning Maul and Savage >>> Pinning Sing. Moving a capital ship >>> Moving a platform.
Originally posted by NewGuy01
The same can be said for Vader, though. In some of his portrayals he uses the Force more freely and effectively than others; in some he tends to rely almost exclusively on his dueling prowess.
The curse of being overexposed. Vader is possibly more inconsistent than Luke.
Originally posted by NewGuy01
I'm not so sure it will ever hit him, but even if it does I'm not convinced it will weaken him so significantly; Starkiller's best didn't do him in without external damages to his suit, and a working knowledge of it.
I don't recall Starkiller hitting him with it outside of when he beat him. If Vader had shrugged SKs lightning at one point, but I don't recall that occurring. And I didn't say do him in, I said weaken enough for him to lose. Malgus' lightning is above Starkiller's imo. It was capable of burning through flesh even after powering through a lightsaber defense, before Malgus' massive upgrade. It should be capable of (approaching at least) disintegration, I would argue.
Because Bane is powerful. And no his feats aren't all nexus. How about him shattering the bodies of mercenaries while he was in a highly weakened state. Or taking the focal point of a TK strike from Zannah that was strong enough that it carried on to reduce a bystander who was not even close to an unrecognizable mangle of flesh. Or that he was remembered by his fellow sith like he was some sort of deity.
Don't let Carthage's hatred of Bane fool you. He is fantastic
Originally posted by WildBantha88
Because Bane is powerful. And no his feats aren't all nexus. How about him shattering the bodies of mercenaries while he was in a highly weakened state. Or taking the focal point of a TK strike from Zannah that was strong enough that it carried on to reduce a bystander who was not even close to an unrecognizable mangle of flesh. Or that he was remembered by his fellow sith like he was some sort of deity.Don't let Carthage's hatred of Bane fool you. He is fantastic
Killing guards and mercenaries are inferior showings to all that I listed for Vader, Malgus has superior showings as well. Destroying an entire cathedral/crushin a TOR fighter mid flight>>>>> killing guards. A car accident can mangle human bodies lol, Bane has mediocre TK showings and would get ragdolled by either Malgus or Vader
Originally posted by carthage
How is he less skilled than Bane? Bane hasn't beaten anyone other than one Sith trainee? Either three of them would stomp him in a duel. He isn't skilled enough to best any of them. Malgus is also [b]vastly more powerful than non-nexus Bane[/B]
I never said he was less skilled than Bane, I said Vader.