Nihilus vs Vitiate

Originally posted by Nephthys
Do people put so little stock in Vitiate's statements of being more powerful than Nihilus?

Vitiate is more knowledgeable about the Dark Side than Nihilus. Vitiate is older, wiser, and is capable of more than Nihilus. His ritual on Nathema and his planned ritual for the entire galaxy is IMO magnitudes beyond what Nihilus could achieve.

The main reason I place Nihilus above Vitiate in straight-up combat is that his powers aren't rituals. They seem to be his own raw power. And I don't think any being could match Nihilus' drain without becoming another Nihilus themselves. His life drain and his TK are beyond what we've seen Vitiate perform in combat.

Now Vitiate's lightning is very impressive, quite possibly the most impressive aside from Sidious. If Vitiate could resist Nihilus' drain, I personally still think he would not be able to counter Nihilus' TK.

Nihilus almost overwhelming the Exile and her party after being weakened is probably less impressive than Vitiate holding off the HoT (not sure, never cared for TOR), but it shows that if it (LOL) came to sabers, he would be able to hold his own against Vitiate's illusions and other tricks.

Overall, either one could potentially win depending on the circumstances, but I'd lean slightly towards Nihilus.

Originally posted by The_Tempest
MOST POWERFUL DOESNT ALWAYS MEAN WINNER BRO

You're siding with Nihilus here?

Originally posted by Angelalex242
Vitiate can block the drain, so he wins.

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Nihilus.

Well...it may boil down to prep time. Vitiate, given sufficient time, can probably come up with a ritual that'll remove Nihilus from the board.

Give Vitiate a couple hours to get the sacrifices and magic going, and Nihilus is screwed. On the other hand, if Nihilus somehow caught the Emperor off guard...

Anyways, Nihilus is not invincible. He is a cancer in the Force, but sufficiently powerful beings...or in this case, a sufficiently powerful ritual...could 'cure' him.

Really, the only thing to argue about is how many hours Vitiate needs to come up with a sufficiently powerful ritual. Given he's got a wipe out all life in the galaxy ritual, wiping out Nihilus is certainly doable, given sufficient time.

I forgot, what makes you believe Vitiate incontrovertibly needs some sort of preparation to carry out offensive assaults? Besides your opinion, of course.

Probably that Vitiate vs. Sidious video I saw on youtube.

Emphasized heavily how Vitiate needed rituals.

One of the priority rules of these boards is to never take Youtubers seriously.

I'd like to see you support those opinions with some semblance of evidence or context, as opposed to unfounded conjecture.

Sidious>Vitiate>Nihilus

/thread, tbh

I WILL END YOU. ARGHHHHHHHHH

Emperor Vitiate is a stable and more powerful version of Darth Nihilus (Basically, BioWare's refined representation of Darth Nihilus). On top of this, he doesn't have weaknesses of normal biological individuals and have been confirmed to have surpassed all Force-users in power at-least in Legends continuity.

Honestly, Emperor Vitiate is among the few who are likely to soundly tackle Darth Nihilus in single combat.

Originally posted by Board Walker
Nihilus doesn't do drain, I have explained this multiple times on this forum with in game quotes. He directly and instantly devours an entities connection with the force, and life itself. He doesn't consumer your energy, your life force, or your force reserves, rather he devours your connections that connect you with life and the force.

There is no counter for this, absolutely nothing in the mythos stops this nor can it be learned or taught. No one but Nihilus has this ability, all according to in game quotes word for word.

I provided a good explanation in this thread: http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=605755&pagenumber=3

More importantly, Darth Nihilus's powers aren't exclusive to him. Even KoTOR II made it clear that ancients had knowledge of such powers. And people tend to forget that Emperor Vitiate surpassed all ancients in knowledge and power of the dark arts.

Originally posted by Selenial
It is.

Why does power matter in a 1v1 when Nihilus can devour you?
Like, perhaps he can't sever vitiate from the force in his usual drain manner due to the power, but he can TK him like a ***** and then do it.

Vitiate just doesn't have many 1v1 showings and relies a lot on rituals. Not a bad thing, just the reason he'd lose against Sidious and Nihilus even if he was more powerful.

Not Vitiate bashing, his style is great for galaxy wide shit, just not duels.

Also, I don't get the underestimation of Emperor Vitiate in single combat. He soundly defeated Revan and many other powerful Force-users in combat situations, and he is still lacking as a combatant? I don't really get the BS of critics in this regard.

Furthermore, I would really like to see someone capable to TK'ing Emperor. Revan had to draw on the power of both light and dark and approach oneness like condition to send Emperor packing and this too when Emperor was caught off-guard. I don't think that even the mightiest of entities can casually TK Emperor around.

Originally posted by NewGuy01
Sidious>Vitiate>Nihilus

/thread, tbh

Emperor Vitiate >= The most powerful Force-users of Star Wars including entities (in Legends continuity) > Darth Sidious (frequently identified as the most powerful Sith Lord in identity) by virtue of latest updates in Legends continuity > Darth Nihilus (not really much of a Sith Lord in identity to be honest, more like a practitioner of the dark arts).

Anyways, Star Wars based rankings are likely to remain subjective and open to interpretations.

Nihilus wins.

He's an anti-Force damn creature!!!

Originally posted by NewGuy01
Sidious>Vitiate>Nihilus

/thread, tbh

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Top 3 Sith imo.

Darth Nihilus has better drain and TK feats, question is what can Vitiate do in return against something lacking any semblance of a physical body beyond robes and a mask?

Nihilus

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Sorcery isn't an indication of weakness, the most powerful of the dark side adepts tend to be sorcerers for a reason.

Also, I don't get the underestimation of Emperor Vitiate in single combat. He soundly defeated Revan and many other powerful Force-users in combat situations, and he is still lacking as a combatant? I don't really get the BS of critics in this regard.

Furthermore, I would really like to see someone capable to TK'ing Emperor. Revan had to draw on the power of both light and dark and approach oneness like condition to send Emperor packing and this too when Emperor was caught off-guard. I don't think that even the mightiest of entities can casually TK Emperor around.

So powerful he always hid,so powerful he barely had control over the half of galaxy,so powerful he never faced his enemies f2f but relied on other means.

Luke,Sidious,Nihilus>Vitiate 🙂

BTW his demise is mentioned in the Darth Plagueis novel,so he can still die after all. 😉 😛

Originally posted by Nephthys
I didn't quote the rest of your post because I agreed with it or didn't see anything objectionable. And Traya, the Exile and the Sith Assassin's weren't taught the technique. They learned it through instinct, through experiencing it's effects first hand.

“It is the teaching of these new Sith, to feed on others, on other Force Sensitives. They are symptomatic of the wound in the Force. You are a breach that must be closed. You transmit your pain, your suffering through the Force.”

........

“What if other Jedi went to war as you did, suffered the same events, and emerged as you did. What if there was a crucible that trained such Jedi to consume and kill?”

“For you, Malachor was that crucible.”

“What's worse, is these Sith that we face... I fear that they have learned the lesson of Malachor all too well. It is what allows them to prey on Force users, to become stronger when Force Sensitives are near.”

“Somehow, they have learned their hunger from you. And so you have brought about the end of the Jedi, and perhaps all the knowledge of the Force.”

Revan and the Triumvirate used Malachor as a crucible to enable others to learn the technique. They didn't need to teach anything, just let instinct and experience do the work.

(btw the Jedi Masters are ****ing retards for not putting two and two together and thinking "Hmmm, maybe the Sith are on Malachor!"😉

Okay,but nothing of this mentions of what he/she said about Nihilus destroying the Force. In fact it says those are the sympthomatic of a Wound in the Force. Even the assassins or Exile could barely mimic Nihilus' Hunger(DS Exile though becomes Nihly 2.0)

To achieve that you must be darksided and Wound in the Force.

Vitiate just "shutdown" the Force on Medriaas,but Nihilus destroys the Force.

In Unseen,Unheard we see Visas fainted,which suggests that either Katarr was a bigger void than Nathema and she couldn't bear that,or it might be the lack of,oxygen.