Nihilus vs Vitiate

Originally posted by Sinious
You actually destroyed your own argument with this.

Nihilus feeds on the force so he killed the force sensitives in Katarr. Vitiate killed everything in Natemha, including the force itself. 👆

"facepalm" I said Nihilus feeds on all of three. Evidence of how Katarr became a barren wasteland,a world without oxygen(Is Nathema like that?) 😛

If Vitiate had truly the Hunger of Nihilus,then he'd have consumed the Republic.As I said Drew was high of how he twisted the life-force with Force itself and then he called a "void" lol. That scene in which he describes of how Vitiate initiated that ritual contradicts with the logic behind Star Wars.

In matter of drain after Nihilus is Sidious. He was able to siphon both the life-force and Force energy from Byss' people.

Life-force=vitality

Just because you die or a Sith siphons your life-force doesn't make you a "void" in the Force(you are just lifeless) That's available for planets too. They become sucked dry indeed,but they aren't "voids".

For example around the dark tombs(usually Sith) they aren't voids,but but are sucked dry places.

Look Korriban,a lifeless planet,a.husk sucked dry,yet it is not a void.

Drew was high when he wrote that shit bullcrap.

Nihilus is too powerful. /thread

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Vitiate descended into greatest depths of immortality then any Sith Lord. In the upcoming content, it is noted that Vitiate cannot be contained or restrained by conventional means.

Sidious wasn't destroyed, his spirit was contained by Jedi spirits when it became vulnerable. Also, Sidious wasn't destroyed by Force Drain powers.

"If you strike me down, I shall become more powerful than you can possibly imagine." (Obi-Wan)

1. What Nihilus does isn't "conventional means" though. Despite of what do you think he's still a part of the Force,and Nihilus feeds on it. But if his spirit was truly undying,then he would have entered in bodies,plenty of bodies,visiting worlds,become more popular,but instead of it what he did? Oh yeah,hiding himself with his dear "immortality".

2.Last time I checked Sidious enjoys some pain in the Chaos dimension.

3. Do you mix Obi Wan,a good guy,became a "spiritual" part with the Force with Vitiate who achieved perhaps a status of "physical" immortality?

Bad dudes will never become a true part of the Force,they just try to stay into this world(damn materialists)

That's what I meant when I mentioned Sidious. 😛

Originally posted by WildBantha88
Nihilus is too powerful. /thread

A person who was aware Nihilus wins!? Gotta note that in my secret diary. 😛

Originally posted by WildBantha88
Nihilus is too powerful. /thread

Originally posted by WildBantha88
Nihilus Vitiate is too powerful. /thread

Here:

The Sith Emperor is the most powerful Force-user who has ever existed.

Taken from Star Wars: The Old Republic: Encyclopedia

Originally posted by Freedon Nadd
"facepalm" I said Nihilus feeds on all of three. Evidence of how Katarr became a barren wasteland,a world without oxygen(Is Nathema like that?) 😛

If Vitiate had truly the Hunger of Nihilus,then he'd have consumed the Republic.As I said Drew was high of how he twisted the life-force with Force itself and then he called a "void" lol. That scene in which he describes of how Vitiate initiated that ritual contradicts with the logic behind Star Wars.

In matter of drain after Nihilus is Sidious. He was able to siphon both the life-force and Force energy from Byss' people.

Life-force=vitality

Just because you die or a Sith siphons your life-force doesn't make you a "void" in the Force(you are just lifeless) That's available for planets too. They become sucked dry indeed,but they aren't "voids".

For example around the dark tombs(usually Sith) they aren't voids,but but are sucked dry places.

Look Korriban,a lifeless planet,a.husk sucked dry,yet it is not a void.

Drew was high when he wrote that shit bullcrap.

See your explaining what's your take on the issue and that's cute but it doesn't matter that much.

If you'd read what Vitiate did to Natemha in the novel, you would know that he consumed literally everything.

Vitiate has the upper hand in both feats and accolades. If you have anything that puts Nihilus above Vitiate other than your opinion, present them. If not, concede now and save yourself from further humiliation.

Vitiate's ritual on Nathema was a ritual, not Nihilus's Force Drain. Again, proof of Vitiate withstanding Drain "because of his immortality"?

Originally posted by SunRazer
Vitiate's ritual on Nathema was a ritual, not Nihilus's Force Drain. Again, proof of Vitiate withstanding Drain "because of his immortality"?

Proof of Nihilus being able to drain beings more powerful than himself? Especially those who have much deeper understanding of the force and the dark side.

I said Vitiate wins, lol.

I'm asking for proof that "immortality blocks Drain", as Legend describes it.

Originally posted by SunRazer
I said Vitiate wins, lol.

I'm asking for proof that "immortality blocks Drain", as Legend describes it.

Well, that's a mystery.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Correction:

Here:

The Sith Emperor is the most powerful Force-user who has ever existed.

Taken from [B]Star Wars: The Old Republic: Encyclopedia [/B]

Suddenly,he's stronger than Luke,Sidious,Abeloth,Father,Daughter,Son!?

Originally posted by Sinious
See your explaining what's your take on the issue and that's cute but it doesn't matter that much.

If you'd read what Vitiate did to Natemha in the novel, you would know that he consumed literally everything.

Vitiate has the upper hand in both feats and accolades. If you have anything that puts Nihilus above Vitiate other than your opinion, present them. If not, concede now and save yourself from further humiliation.

So if contradicts the logic,it should be a reliable source,okay!?

I will present that in the Nihilus novel(source:New Star Wars Stories page)

😛

It will be "published" on 2016,23 July as soon as possible.

Originally posted by Sinious
Proof of Nihilus being able to drain beings more powerful than himself? Especially those who have much deeper understanding of the force and the dark side.

Define power? As it is a relative word for all of us

A dude who cleansed on his own a planet of Force,will easily surpass or equal Vitiate' s raw power.

And we speak about a physical fight!!! Lol

Vitiate without a doubt. Nihilus is the most overated guy in SW universe.

@ Freedon Nadd

Nihilus used a technique to consume that world and we don't know if he can use it against a powerful individual as easy as he used it against a defenseless population.

Name me one individual Nihilus defeated who even comes close Vitiate in power. He stomped Kreia and that's his best combat feat. Vitiate has far superior combat feats than that and since he has greater raw power, understanding of the dark side and accolades, I have no reason to think that Nihilus would be able to defeat him with drain.

Understanding of the dark side really doesn't equate to immunity from Drain. Traya had a far greater understanding of the dark side than Nihilus as well, but it didn't stop her from getting her powers drained by Nihilus and Sion.

Originally posted by SunRazer
Understanding of the dark side really doesn't equate to immunity from Drain. Traya had a far greater understanding of the dark side than Nihilus as well, but it didn't stop her from getting her powers drained by Nihilus and Sion.

Didn't Nihilus take her out with TK first?

He hurled her back. That's a display of raw power, and it's obvious Nihilus is the more powerful.

What I'm referring to is knowledge of the dark side or the Force in general doesn't equate to knowing a defense technique against a certain ability. Vitiate hasn't even experienced anything like Nihilus's Drain before (the way Kreia describes it makes it seem like it's a different Drain than the standard one used by most). Kreia claims there's no defense against such techniques, too. And really, that Drain came from Malachor V, which Vitiate doesn't know about (and he doesn't have the knowledge from Malachor V's archives, either), so there's nothing to suggest that his knowledge bank includes a defense against Nihilus's Drain. Heck, Kreia studied Malachor's archives and still knew of no defense against Nihilus's Drain.

Originally posted by SunRazer
He hurled her back. That's a display of raw power, and it's obvious Nihilus is the more powerful.

Yeah that's the point. Nihilus didn't defeat her with drain. He disabled her with TK and then Sion beat her up pretty bad. Kreia had the advantage in understanding of the force but lacked to raw power to compete with Nihilus. Vitiate has the upper hand in both so he won't be in a vulnerable position like Kreia was.

What I'm referring to is knowledge of the dark side or the Force in general doesn't equate to knowing a defense technique against a certain ability. Vitiate hasn't even experienced anything like Nihilus's Drain before (the way Kreia describes it makes it seem like it's a different Drain than the standard one used by most). Kreia claims there's no defense against such techniques, too. And really, that Drain came from Malachor V, which Vitiate doesn't know about (and he doesn't have the knowledge from Malachor V's archives, either), so there's nothing to suggest that his knowledge bank includes a defense against Nihilus's Drain. Heck, Kreia studied Malachor's archives and still knew of no defense against Nihilus's Drain.

Are you sure?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8VvS5MLnG0Y#t=277

Start watching from 3:45 and you'll see that Kreia says he is using the same technique that the ancient sith used. She even says he merely rivals them and hasn't surpassed them yet.

Originally posted by Sinious
Yeah that's the point. Nihilus didn't defeat her with drain. He disabled her with TK and then Sion beat her up pretty bad. Kreia had the advantage in understanding of the force but lacked to raw power to compete with Nihilus. Vitiate has the upper hand in both so he won't be in a vulnerable position like Kreia was.

Are you sure?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8VvS5MLnG0Y#t=277

Start watching from 3:45 and you'll see that Kreia says he is using the same technique that the ancient sith used. She even says he merely rivals them and hasn't surpassed them yet.

😕 Doesn't she say ""It is a technique that is almost as old as the Sith themselves…it is a means of severing connections between life, the Force, and feeding upon the death it causes. It cannot be taught…it can only be gained through instinct, through experiencing its effects, first-hand."? She doesn't relate that technique to the Sith,she says someone must experience something like Nihilus(tanked the Mass Shadow Generator) They must be sympthomatic of a Void in the Force to achieve that.

We don't know what she meant by "Which may rival the ancient Sith."

Knowledge,strength,conquest?