Reiji Yoshino vs. Narutoverse

Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
How could he react faster than any Naruto character?

Naruto in normal sage mode reacted faster than the third Raikage in his Raiton armor. Which makes his reflexes almost as fast as the fourth Raikage's, which are light speed.

Plus, Kaguya can shoot her planet buster multiple times. Way more than Reiji can, considering Naruto is the one that made it, and he had been fighting for two days at full power before doing so.

Maybe by having better reaction feats perhaps? But if the Reiji guy really isn't a casually planet buster as dante suggest, then the Naruto verse may have a shot with IT.

Raikage has lightspeed reaction? Since when?

This has never be shown and nothing in the manga indicates this. Heck Kaguya's planet busting power is still suspect.

Originally posted by wakkawakkawakka
Maybe by having better reaction feats perhaps? But if the Reiji guy really isn't a casually planet buster as dante suggest, then the Naruto verse may have a shot with IT.

Raikage has lightspeed reaction? Since when?

This has never be shown and nothing in the manga indicates this. Heck Kaguya's planet busting power is still suspect.

Such as?

Shee stated in the manga that Raikage's synapses fire as fast as a, "Flash of light", which is clearly not hyperbole, as Shee thought it to himself. Raikage can move as fast as lightning, but can perceive things at light speed.

Kaguya was capable of destroying a dimension, with her power covering the explosion of Naruto's ten tails attack. She converted it into a mountain sized Goudama. Calcing it alone, and not taking the outright statements from her saying it would destroy the dimension, she is AT LEAST a planet buster. And that was after expending most of her chakra, and Naruto had been fighting at full power for two days straight.

Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
Such as?

Shee stated in the manga that Raikage's synapses fire as fast as a, "Flash of light", which is clearly not hyperbole, as Shee thought it to himself. Raikage can move as fast as lightning, but can perceive things at light speed.

Kaguya was capable of destroying a dimension, with her power covering the explosion of Naruto's ten tails attack. She converted it into a mountain sized Goudama. Calcing it alone, and not taking the outright statements from her saying it would destroy the dimension, she is AT LEAST a planet buster. And that was after expending most of her chakra, and Naruto had been fighting at full power for two days straight.

You posed a question I provided an answer. Have next to no idea what this guy is actually capable of.

Raikage has done nothing to actually demonstrate light speed reaction.

Kaguya never actually destroyed that dimension which is why the claim is suspect. And even if we are to say Kaguya is a planet buster it wouldn't be as effective here as Reiji appears to be able to do it readily. Kaguya's method doesn't seem effective at all so dimension hopping and IT would be the best course of action here.

Originally posted by wakkawakkawakka
You posed a question I provided an answer. Have next to no idea what this guy is actually capable of.

Raikage has done nothing to actually demonstrate light speed reaction.

Kaguya never actually destroyed that dimension which is why the claim is suspect. And even if we are to say Kaguya is a planet buster it wouldn't be as effective here as Reiji appears to be able to do it readily. Kaguya's method doesn't seem effective at all so dimension hopping and IT would be the best course of action here.

Oh... Well then you're, "answer", was pretty stupid, pointless and arbitrary, wouldn't you agree?

He has as much as Goku has demonstrated the ability to destroy a planet. 👆

Vegeta never destroyed Earth either. The point is, the statements wouldn't be there if the Author didn't intend them to be. Stop acting stupid. The only reason Kaguya didn't destroy the dimension is because Naruto and co. got to her first. It took five teleportations, among four people to do that, as well as intangibility to the fourth person.

She could just conjure the goudama, and dimension hop to let Reiji stand around and die with the planet. Unless he could stop it with his own pb, but even then, Kaguya could just rinse, lather, repeat. Or simply pull him into her own dimension. I don't know why you're "arguing" this here, you're saying Kaguya would win, and so am I. You're just trying to argue for the sake of arguing, and it's pretty pathetic.

Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
Oh... Well then you're, "answer", was pretty stupid, pointless and arbitrary, wouldn't you agree?

He has as much as Goku has demonstrated the ability to destroy a planet. 👆

Vegeta never destroyed Earth either. The point is, the statements wouldn't be there if the Author didn't intend them to be. Stop acting stupid. The only reason Kaguya didn't destroy the dimension is because Naruto and co. got to her first. It took five teleportations, among four people to do that, as well as intangibility to the fourth person.

She could just conjure the goudama, and dimension hop to let Reiji stand around and die with the planet. Unless he could stop it with his own pb, but even then, Kaguya could just rinse, lather, repeat. Or simply pull him into her own dimension. I don't know why you're "arguing" this here, you're saying Kaguya would win, and so am I. You're just trying to argue for the sake of arguing, and it's pretty pathetic.

You're the one who asked the question originally w/o any specifics.

Goku's planet busting is legitimized by being stronger than confirmed "casual" planet busters. Raikage has no such feats nor people to power scale off of for his speed.

Same thing as above. Vegeta is stronger than confirmed planet busters hence why his planet busting title is argued favorably. Kaguya on the other hand can't readily use hers, and the results of the attack were never shown. As a result her feats are suspect.

Originally posted by wakkawakkawakka
You're the one who asked the question originally w/o any specifics.

Goku's planet busting is legitimized by being stronger than confirmed "casual" planet busters. Raikage has no such feats nor people to power scale off of for his speed.

Same thing as above. Vegeta is stronger than confirmed planet busters hence why his planet busting title is argued favorably. Kaguya on the other hand can't readily use hers, and the results of the attack were never shown. As a result her feats are suspect.

I asked newguy, so you giving an unintelligible pseudo-answer was completely pointless, considering you didn't even know the answer. 👆

I'm talking about Saiyan saga. Goku was able to overpower Vegeta's planet buster, to stop it from planet busting. Btw, the statement is still there. Also, Zetsu compared Amaterasu with the speed of lightning, which Raikage dodged, making his speed at least lightning+, which isn't even his reaction speed.

Again, the statement wouldn't have been made if the author didn't want to establish it. Kaguya had created dimensions, it serves to logic that she would know whether she could destroy them or not. This was supported by several other character statements.

Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
I asked newguy, so you giving an unintelligible pseudo-answer was completely pointless, considering you didn't even know the answer. 👆

I'm talking about Saiyan saga. Goku was able to overpower Vegeta's planet buster, to stop it from planet busting. Btw, the statement is still there. Also, Zetsu compared Amaterasu with the speed of lightning, which Raikage dodged, making his speed at least lightning+, which isn't even his reaction speed.

Again, the statement wouldn't have been made if the author didn't want to establish it. Kaguya had created dimensions, it serves to logic that she would know whether she could destroy them or not. This was supported by several other character statements.

So was I imagine that. Also that statement means nothing w/o feats or context. Raikage hasn't shown such feats of light speed reaction nor nothing to power scale off of to support why he should be capable of such a feat.

That doesn't change the fact that the dimension was never actually destroyed. Also we know she can't casually do as seen when she used the technique in the first place. Even if she could Reiji's method seems more readily available. The feat is suspect and even if legit is not casual or something Kaguya is going to do immediately.

Naruto didn't make that. Him shooting Kaguya with the Biju's chakra only destabilized the chakras already within her, it wasn't actually his power.

Also, LS is likely an exaggeration of Raikage's speed, considering Itachi had no hope of being able to react to lightning. His best feat is moving faster than Sasuke's MS could track.

Originally posted by wakkawakkawakka
You never specified the feats you wanted. Hence you got an answer to the question you asked.

So was I imagine that. Also that statement means nothing w/o feats or context. Raikage hasn't shown such feats of light speed reaction nor nothing to power scale off of to support why he should be capable of such a feat.

That doesn't change the fact that the dimension was never actually destroyed. Also we know she can't casually do as seen when she used the technique in the first place. Even if she could Reiji's method seems more readily available. The feat is suspect and even if legit is not casual or something Kaguya is going to do immediately.

Yeah, actually, I did. I asked how Reiji could react faster than high-tier Naruto characters, and all you did was restate my question. This is pointless.

So how are you making Saiyan Saga Vegeta a planet buster? We never actually saw him bust one, so by your logic, he falls short, no?

Again, Zetsu compared Amatersasu to the speed of lightning. This proves Shee's statement that Raikage could move as fast as lightning. This also gives Shee credibility, proving that Raikage has LS reaction speed.

AGAIN, the statement has ONLY been supported, not debunked by ANYONE in the series. Kaguya has more proof that she can bust a planet than she can't. So argue something other than, "She didn't actually do it", or this debate is over. The author made the statement, deal with it. 👆

Originally posted by NewGuy01
Naruto didn't make that. Him shooting Kaguya with the Biju's chakra only destabilized the chakras already within her, it wasn't actually his power.

Also, LS is likely an exaggeration of Raikage's speed, considering Itachi had no hope of being able to react to lightning. His best feat is moving faster than Sasuke's MS could track.

Yeah, Naruto did make some of it. Kaguya transformed the explosion into her Goudama, which obviously took a lot more chakra than Naruto's rasen-shurikens, but still, he helped. My point is that Kaguya has infinite energy in her dimension, and can make those almost instantly. All she has to do is throw them until Reiji can't stop it, and teleport to another dimension. Then she wins.

No, Raikage's best feat is dodging Amaterasu, which was stated to be as fast as lightning. This is supported by Shee's statement. LS is his reaction speed, meaning he can perceive things at light speed, and actually dodge them with lightning speed. Also, Itachi was on his deathbed and could barely move. It's more likely that because of the attacks AOE, he couldn't dodge it, than it's simple speed. This is proven because Itachi could see the attack coming, he just couldn't move fast enough to dodge it. Which is why he could summon full Susano'o with the Yata mirror to block it before the attack could hit.

Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
Yeah, actually, I did. I asked how Reiji could react faster than high-tier Naruto characters, and all you did was restate my question. This is pointless.

So how are you making Saiyan Saga Vegeta a planet buster? We never actually saw him bust one, so by your logic, he falls short, no?

Again, Zetsu compared Amatersasu to the speed of lightning. This proves Shee's statement that Raikage could move as fast as lightning. This also gives Shee credibility, proving that Raikage has LS reaction speed.

AGAIN, the statement has ONLY been supported, not debunked by ANYONE in the series. Kaguya has more proof that she can bust a planet than she can't. So argue something other than, "She didn't actually do it", or this debate is over. The author made the statement, deal with it. 👆

You never asked that specifically.

Nope thanks to power scaling. We know Vegeta's power level at that point was about 18,000 which is capable of planet busting power which is why Goku could be credited as having planet busting power.

You do know light is significantly faster than lighting. Where does Zetsu say that, also it was probably an exaggeration as we've actually seen an attack move at natural lightning speeds in the series(Kirin)

That makes Kaguya planetary a best: especially since, according to you, she didn't make the goudama entirely by herself. Yes, not actually destroying a planet and not having the chops to back up that you could do it on the fly actually do count for legit critisicms on someone's claim of being a planet buster. Besides, her method doesn't put her above this Reiji guy.

Reiji has fought in his home series a person whose super mode lets him move at the speed of light, a fact that in his verse is constantly stated in various ways. On his own, his own movement speed isn't up to par, but his reflexes are, though he did require some help from his precognition to allow himself some breathing room since his LS-level foe was relentless in attacking.

As for possibly being banished to another dimension, whoever Reiji has made contact with (note: doesn't have to be physical contact, he just has to see the person iirc), then he can simply use Da Capo to summon that person to him for a surprise attack. So in this sense, bfring him is a bit useless.

If the above is really the case then the Narutoverse is even less likely to win. Still there's IT and the much more limited ranged Koto.

Indeed. And as long as he doesn't use Da Capo Enhalt to render himself invulnerable, his durability isn't all that high compared to high/top tiers in the Narutoverse.

Originally posted by wakkawakkawakka
You never asked that specifically.

Nope thanks to power scaling. We know Vegeta's power level at that point was about 18,000 which is capable of planet busting power which is why Goku could be credited as having planet busting power.

You do know light is significantly faster than lighting. Where does Zetsu say that, also it was probably an exaggeration as we've actually seen an attack move at natural lightning speeds in the series(Kirin)

That makes Kaguya planetary a best: especially since, according to you, she didn't make the goudama entirely by herself. Yes, not actually destroying a planet and not having the chops to back up that you could do it on the fly actually do count for legit critisicms on someone's claim of being a planet buster. Besides, her method doesn't put her above this Reiji guy.

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So by your logic, power scaling is actually MORE accurate than legit statements made by the characters and supported by the author? What world do you live in? Btw, how are you calling Vegeta at that point a planet buster when he never busted a planet? All you're doing is disproving yourself, and backing up my claims.

Uh, duh. Zetsu said Kirin was as un-dodgeable as amaterasu, a.k.a. as fast as amaterasu. This makes Amaterasu as fast as lightning. Raikage dodged it, with a movement speed also as fast as lightning. It makes sense that he can react to things at light speed, if he dodged something EASILY that was as fast as him. Almost like precognition.

What's your point? I said Kaguya was planet level. That's the truth. However, she was a planet buster with "most" of her power gone, according to Zetsu. Also, she did it almost instantly. Her method is as effective as Reiji's.

By the way, it sounds like you don't even know how Reiji planet busts, so how are you judging it against a single attack that Kaguya can summon instantly, and multiple times?

Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
*sigh*

So by your logic, power scaling is actually MORE accurate than legit statements made by the characters and supported by the author? What world do you live in? Btw, how are you calling Vegeta at that point a planet buster when he never busted a planet? All you're doing is disproving yourself, and backing up my claims.

Uh, duh. Zetsu said Kirin was as un-dodgeable as amaterasu, a.k.a. as fast as amaterasu. This makes Amaterasu as fast as lightning. Raikage dodged it, with a movement speed also as fast as lightning. It makes sense that he can react to things at light speed, if he dodged something EASILY that was as fast as him. Almost like precognition.

What's your point? I said Kaguya was planet level. That's the truth. However, she was a planet buster with "most" of her power gone, according to Zetsu. Also, she did it almost instantly. Her method is as effective as Reiji's.

By the way, it sounds like you don't even know how Reiji planet busts, so how are you judging it against a single attack that Kaguya can summon instantly, and multiple times?

We know Vegeta, at that point, was stronger than a planet buster: after the fact in the Namek arc but otherwise still legit. Also the power level thing is canon so...yeah how bot that.

No he doesn't. Also Raikage has been tagged by less on multiple occasions by much slower things. Thus debunking his LS claims. And since Reiji has a legit LS foe that pretty much makes him>>>A.

Again that was never stated. She was going to destroy the dimension with the giant goudama which, as you pointed out, wasn't directly made by her. The planet busting claims comes from assuming the dimension they were in is the same size as the Earth back in the real world: this couple with the fact that nothing happens makes the feat questionable.

Reiji has a mana consuming energy blast of sorts through the form of one of his weapons: Sakura. Then there's also his planetary reality warping magic and LS reaction time.

Wakkawakkawakka: you know of Sakura and his planetary level magic... did you read up on the series or something, because I never mentioned that stuff.

Admittedly I did one of the most half-assed searches for the info. I still have no idea on the greater details of Reiji's powers but I do know that there is a means and an explanation behind how he's considered a planet buster.

Kaguya on the other hand, while having the potential to be a planet buster, lack a clear indication that she could. Even if the giant goudama is legit its not like she can just whip those up on a whim and she'd be a low tier one.

I see. For this thread though, Sakura (his magical weapon) isn't allowed as she is her own character pretty much. He can fire his planet buster on his own well enough. And as for his reality warping-esque magic, that's something he doesn't obtain until later on, which isn't quite allowed.

True enough; it did take some time for her to get the goudama going.

Okay thanks for clearing that up. Well as long as he can actually use then he stands a good chance of winning. If his weapon is actually their own character then I guess that wouldn't count.