Reiji Yoshino vs. Narutoverse

Originally posted by wakkawakkawakka
We know Vegeta, at that point, was stronger than a planet buster: after the fact in the Namek arc but otherwise still legit. Also the power level thing is canon so...yeah how bot that.

No he doesn't. Also Raikage has been tagged by less on multiple occasions by much slower things. Thus debunking his LS claims. And since Reiji has a legit LS foe that pretty much makes him>>>A.

Again that was never stated. She was going to destroy the dimension with the giant goudama which, as you pointed out, wasn't directly made by her. The planet busting claims comes from assuming the dimension they were in is the same size as the Earth back in the real world: this couple with the fact that nothing happens makes the feat questionable.

Reiji has a mana consuming energy blast of sorts through the form of one of his weapons: Sakura. Then there's also his planetary reality warping magic and LS reaction time.

No, we don't. Unless you accept the statement, Vegeta is not a planet buster. Stop contradicting yourself. Plus, no, a power level of 18,000 is not required to planet bust. According to the cannon you're accepting, King Vegeta was a planet buster, with a power level of 9,000. 👆

Yes, he does. That doesn't debunk anything. Superman has been hit by bullets. If Raikage wants to tank something, or doesn't need to dodge it, he usually won't. Plus, if he's really trying to dodge something, and can't, it doesn't mean he's not lightning speed, idiot. It means the thing is faster. What don't you get about this?

So what is Reiji's FTL feat? Since you're the expert.

Yes it was. I can provide the scan, since you haven't read the series. All the dimensions are the same size, as the moon made from it was the same size as Earth's, considering that it was made the exact same way. You're assuming everything that you're arguing about here.

Again, Kaguya is a planet buster, and she is faster and stronger than Jyuubidara, who out-maneuvered Minato while teleporting at light speed. That makes Kaguya FTL+++, and a planet buster with dimension hopping, regeneration, atomization, etc. She pwns.

Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
No, we don't. Unless you accept the statement, Vegeta is not a planet buster. Stop contradicting yourself. Plus, no, a power level of 18,000 is not required to planet bust. According to the cannon you're accepting, King Vegeta was a planet buster, with a power level of 9,000. 👆

Yes, he does. That doesn't debunk anything. Superman has been hit by bullets. If Raikage wants to tank something, or doesn't need to dodge it, he usually won't. Plus, if he's really trying to dodge something, and can't, it doesn't mean he's not lightning speed, idiot. It means the thing is faster. What don't you get about this?

So what is Reiji's FTL feat? Since you're the expert.

Yes it was. I can provide the scan, since you haven't read the series. All the dimensions are the same size, as the moon made from it was the same size as Earth's, considering that it was made the exact same way. You're assuming everything that you're arguing about here.

Again, Kaguya is a planet buster, and she is faster and stronger than Jyuubidara, who out-maneuvered Minato while teleporting at light speed. That makes Kaguya FTL+++, and a planet buster with dimension hopping, regeneration, atomization, etc. She pwns.

Thing is A didn't "tank" any of the attacks that he was his with. Also Madara has tagged him with slower attacks multiple times. Unless you're willing to argue everything Madara had done up till then was LS.

That doesn't automatically make it the same size as the planet. Also the moon, while it was still growing, didn't exactly match the scale of the real thing. Furthermore Kaguya didn't destroy anything and Black Zetsu never states that she would destroy a planet.

But let's give Kaguya the benefit of the doubt and say that she is a planet buster. What does that do? The goudama take a sizable amount of time to make an the guy she's fighting could just nullify its effects.

And if need be, he can use his planet buster move to counter hers.

If Reiji can move at lightspeed, none of the Narutoverse can lay a finger on him. Though I'm going to need proof that he's indeed that fast~ (I'd place the Narutoverse as Massively Hypersonic at their best, and even something sub-relativistic [like arguably Guy's Night Moth] is way too fast for any of them to counter; and Light is 100x that.)

Though it would be pretty funny to watch him attacking them with such speed that they couldn't hope to counter, and yet his attack strength is so weak that it's not doing anything anyway lol.

Originally posted by wakkawakkawakka
Vegeta remark to Freiza that he was stronger than his dad on Namek. Also I don't see how this is a problem since you use anime feats regularly. On top of that I'm pretty sure King Kai co-signs on that threat.

Thing is A didn't "tank" any of the attacks that he was his with. Also Madara has tagged him with slower attacks multiple times. Unless you're willing to argue everything Madara had done up till then was LS.

That doesn't automatically make it the same size as the planet. Also the moon, while it was still growing, didn't exactly match the scale of the real thing. Furthermore Kaguya didn't destroy anything and Black Zetsu never states that she would destroy a planet.

But let's give Kaguya the benefit of the doubt and say that she is a planet buster. What does that do? The goudama take a sizable amount of time to make an the guy she's fighting could just nullify its effects.

What? You're more willing to accept Vegeta's statement that he's stronger than his planet busting dad, than his statement that he can planet bust? Just stop being childish, and admit you're wrong, jezus.

AGAIN, I NEVER SAID A COULD MOVE AT LIGHT SPEED. HE CAN MOVE AT LIGHTNING SPEED, BUT CAN PERCEIVE THINGS AT LIGHT SPEED. Stop putting words on my keyboard.

Anime authors don't draw to scale. Try again.

No it doesn't. She conjured it instantly from Naruto's explosion, in just three panels, on one page.

Originally posted by NewGuy01
If Reiji can move at lightspeed, none of the Narutoverse can lay a finger on him. Though I'm going to need proof that he's indeed that fast~ (I'd place the Narutoverse as Massively Hypersonic at their best, and even something sub-relativistic [like arguably Guy's Night Moth] is way too fast for any of them to counter; and Light is 100x that.)

Though it would be pretty funny to watch him attacking them with such speed that they couldn't hope to counter, and yet his attack strength is so weak that it's not doing anything anyway lol.

Not necessarily. Minato can teleport at light speed with hiraishin, and Jyuubidara was able to rip his arm off before Minato could warp. Kaguya is "on a whole different level", than Jyuubidara.

I'm sure Kaguya, and to that degree also Sasuke and Naruto, could react to and tag Reiji.

Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
What? You're more willing to accept Vegeta's statement that he's stronger than his planet busting dad, than his statement that he can planet bust? Just stop being childish, and admit you're wrong, jezus.

AGAIN, I NEVER SAID A COULD MOVE AT LIGHT SPEED. HE CAN MOVE AT LIGHTNING SPEED, BUT CAN PERCEIVE THINGS AT LIGHT SPEED. Stop putting words on my keyboard.

Anime authors don't draw to scale. Try again.

No it doesn't. She conjured it instantly from Naruto's explosion, in just three panels, on one page.

Considering Frieza had no problem with it why not?

You said he could move at lightning speed with LS reaction: that's how this all started. Neither of which has been shown to be true but lets say that he can move at lightning speed. That doesn't give him LS reaction as he's never encountered lightspeed.

Its in the manga:
http://www.mangapanda.com/naruto/690/11
http://www.mangapanda.com/naruto/690/14
It bigger than the Chibaku Tensei meteors Madara made but in comparison to the bijus its not large enough to match the real thing. Though it was still growing and could have easily matched the real moon's size.

I'll admit it took less time that I initially perceived but it was still incomplete. It was definitely not instant as she still had to stabalize the biju chakra. Also since the chakra to start it came from Naruto it would be entirely her feat. Furthermore from Black Zetsu's words, the giant goudama only appears to be possible in Kaguya's main dimension.

However, again what does this do for the Narutoverse?

If the goudama is only possible in her dimension, then Reiji (assuming he's out of the dimension), can simply use Da Capo to summon her out of it and thereby prevent the formation of the attack.

Here's the scan where Black Zetsu says it and by extention Kaguya's possible claim to planet busting:
http://www.mangapanda.com/naruto/689/7

Naruto characters aren't even close to lightspeed; even Itachi couldn't react to Kirin, which was specifically noted as hundreds of times faster than sound. Lightspeed is thousands of times faster than that. The Raikage was indeed a lot faster than Itachi and Sasuke, but isn't even close to that level of speed--none of the Naruto cast is.

That being said, their speed isn't to be taken lightly either. Naruto's Sage Rasenshuriken traveled the course of a 400+ meter crater within the span of a second, and Deva Path was able to react and flip into the air before it traveled 30 centimeters--or in other words, less than a tenth of a millisecond. That's hypersonic combat speed, and DP was only in Kakashi's speed class; a good amount slower than the likes of Itachi or Sasuke, who in turn was unable to at all keep up with the Raikage's lightning teleportation--it's easy to see how someone like C would perceive his attacks to be similar to flashes of light. But in reality, they're not.

Continuing the chain, the Minato that was even faster than the Raikage by the latter's own admission, was hit three times by pre-Shinju Madara before he even had the chance to react or teleport. Juubidara and Naruto were even faster than that, and Sasuke even more so--so the speed tiers DO get pretty high. Enough so that base Naruto and Sasuke could cover several-hundred kilometers within the span of a minute, at least.

Even then, though, anyone who's at lightspeed levels is still easily a hundred times faster than even the fastest Naruto character. (Guy during Night Moth)

wakkawakkawakka: thanks, that cleared things up for me.

newguy01: Reiji isn't capable of actually MOVING at lightspeed, but his reflexes are. His actual movement speed is considerably below lightspeed.

Lol.

Reiji faster than light. Urðarbrunnr Urðarbrunnr makes it equal to the speed of the enemy.

In Naruto, even supersonic does not exist.

Reiji can destroy the world, and ignores the strength, erasing the enemy out of existence. And still call other magicians.

Reiji easy win.

Summoning other magi to help him isn't allowed for this fight, neroe.

Originally posted by danteiscool
Summoning other magi to help him isn't allowed for this fight, neroe.

Even if so, Reiji still wins easily. In all parameters surpassing Naruto.

Perhaps. But even so, it won't be an easy victory.

Lol. FTL. Easy victory

His reflexes are roughly LS level, not his actual movement speed. And just because he's capable of reacting to pretty much everything doesn't mean he'll breeze through the whole verse.

His reflexes enough to register on each stroke. For his reflexes enough for Ryuichi mode turbulence. All his victory.
Worlds, concepts, time, space, existence, everything retraces ...

Originally posted by danteiscool
Reiji as of the final battle in his verse has enough mana to use his planetbuster move several times in addition to simultaneously using his precognition ability and can even spare some usage of his Da Capo Enhalt. On that note, it doesn't necessarily restore his mana, simply render him invulnerable to damage. Thanks to his reflexes though, he can activate faster than any of the Naruto characters could potentially hit him as long as he uses his precognition to keep ahead of them.

Originally posted by danteiscool
Reiji as of the final battle in his verse has enough mana to use his planetbuster move several times in addition to simultaneously using his precognition ability and can even spare some usage of his Da Capo Enhalt. On that note, it doesn't necessarily restore his mana, simply render him invulnerable to damage. Thanks to his reflexes though, he can activate faster than any of the Naruto characters could potentially hit him as long as he uses his precognition to keep ahead of them.

Perhaps, but only if he can keep Da Capo Enhalt active, once it wears off, a single good attack from the high/top/god tiers will end him.