Even enough yeah, but Kalibak can't get through that forcefield. MB might be able to but the only one to do it has been Thor and that involved Mjolnir negating the enchantment for about a minute. Beyond the forcefield Cain has energy attacks, and strength enough to hurt Kalibak. Plus without getting through the forcefield, he won't be able to remove his helmet and skullcap, making his TP worthless until/unless he gets through. And I believe at one point he shrunk the X-Men. I'm probably thinking of someone else though.
Cains force field wont protect him from mental attacks, and characters physically weaker than Kalibak have torn his helmet off. Once thats done, one bolt to the brain will defeat the Juggernaut.
A Super strong bruiser, with mental attacks (ala Despero or Martian Manhunter) are The Worst opponents for Cain to fight.
Originally posted by DTM
Cains force field wont protect him from mental attacks, and characters physically weaker than Kalibak have torn his helmet off. Once thats done, one bolt to the brain will defeat the Juggernaut.A Super strong bruiser, with mental attacks (ala Despero or Martian Manhunter) are The Worst opponents for Cain to fight.
The force field isn't to stop mental attacks. It's to act as a forcefield, a barrier of energy between Cain and his opponent. Unless Kalibak has a way to negate the forcefield, he can't touch Cain, therefore he can't get to his helmet.
Originally posted by KingD19
The force field isn't to stop mental attacks. It's to act as a forcefield, a barrier of energy between Cain and his opponent. Unless Kalibak has a way to negate the forcefield, he can't touch Cain, therefore he can't get to his helmet.
The forcefield is inconsistent. Generally the Juggernaut can be touched and punched just like anyone else, he just isn't actually hurt.
When characters just magically bypass his Force Field and remove Juggs helm, its pure PIS; we've seen in fights against Thor how his Force Field/Helm are when handled sans PIS...
The Force Field is barrier between him and his opponent; you cant get to his helm without overcoming the Force Field...
Therefore, unless Kalibak has some way around the Force Field, Juggs will eventually win...
Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
When characters just magically bypass his Force Field and remove Juggs helm, its pure PIS; we've seen in fights against Thor how his Force Field/Helm are when handled sans PIS...The Force Field is barrier between him and his opponent; you cant get to his helm without overcoming the Force Field...
Therefore, unless Kalibak has some way around the Force Field, Juggs will eventually win...
Originally posted by krisblaze
He has less showings with the forcefield than without it.
Thor fight deviates from the norm in quite a few areas, not just regarding Juggernaut.
a) Juggernaut needs his forcefield to be invulnerable.
b) Juggernaut relies on continuous input in order to have his powers (This one has been debated a lot).
c) Juggernaut still retains some super-strength/durability without his forcefield.
d) Thor had the 60 second rule outside of earth.
It's not a fight that's consistent with many of Juggernaut's other showings, good or bad. It certainly doesn't warrant a line of reasoning where Juggernaut is untouchable unless you get past his forcefield.
Originally posted by krisblaze
Thor fight deviates from the norm in quite a few areas, not just regarding Juggernaut.a) Juggernaut needs his forcefield to be invulnerable.
b) Juggernaut relies on continuous input in order to have his powers (This one has been debated a lot).
c) Juggernaut still retains some super-strength/durability without his forcefield.
d) Thor had the 60 second rule outside of earth.
It's not a fight that's consistent with many of Juggernaut's other showings, good or bad.
Thor fought Juggs twice and both showings are consistent with one another...
Originally posted by krisblaze
Thor's got more than two fight against him.
Well let me clarify; two one on one fights against Classic Juggs (the 1st started one on one before a superhero team helped him; Thor was weakened prior to the battle by Hela's curse however...the 2nd was one on one the entire fight though and Thor won by BFR).
Originally posted by krisblaze
This isn't necessarily that impressive though, it would put his durability far below Juggernaut's...or what I assumed Orion's durability was..
Of course. Not many people have better durability then juggernaut. Its still impressive how he wrecked everyone in that issue though
Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
Well let me clarify; two one on one fights against Classic Juggs (the 1st started one on one before a superhero team helped him; Thor was weakened prior to the battle by Hela's curse however...the 2nd was one on one the entire fight though and Thor won by BFR).