Police Turn their Backs on NYC Mayor Again

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-30672097

So, for the funeral of police officer Wenjian Liu, the NYPD once again turned their backs on Mayor Bill DeBlasio, as they had at the funeral of officer Ramos a week ago. Only one police officer was seen facing the mayor during the funeral.

The police officers believe that the mayor hasn't shown them enough support and has disrespected them, which has prompted these silent protests against the mayor.

Here's the sore point for the police and other critics of DeBlasio:

Mayor de Blasio had expressed solidarity with the protesters and had publicly wondered if his son, who is mixed-race, was safe from police.

Some argue that such rhetoric helped to create an environment that encouraged violence against police.

In a related development, the NYPD has apparently begun a "virtual work slowdown," to remind the people of New York why they need to be appreciated.

http://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-echochambers-30659528

While arrest rates have gone down noticeably, no one seems to be complaining yet, because the police are still working on important/major cases, they've just stopped giving out so many parking tickets and other such minor activities that the average citizen may not consider all that necessary.

Here's where my editorializing begins.

The police's position seems facile to me. Their sense of being wronged stems from what I believe is their presumption that the mayor shouldn't even indirectly criticize the police, even when their effectiveness and fairness in serving New York's citizens comes into question. It's true that being a cop is a dangerous, often thankless job, especially in a city like New York City, but by blaming the mayor's relatively innocuous comments about latent racism in the police for any perceived elevation in the threat the average officer faces, the police are attempting to change the subject and obviate any discussion about their tactics and approach to law enforcement.

Here are my thoughts on this situation (and feel free to disagree with them with extreme vitriol as I am not married to my thoughts on this):

1. The Police State
I am not happy with the police-state that America has turned into. From no-knock warrants, spying on American Citizens without warrants, illegal detainment (it is illegal due to the supremacy clause and the 4th amendment), and the over-the-top aggression from police forces that seems to be escalating. If some mayor is not happy with the racist, overly-aggressive and violent behavior of the local police-force, whoopty-f*cking-do. Perhaps they should use this as an opportunity to address some of the racist policies that they have? Perhaps they should use this as an opportunity to learn how to win the hearts and minds of the people they protect? The police have it wrong: they are not the boss. They are servants of the people. They view themselves as superior. A super-class of citizens who get more rights and privileges than the regular one.

2. The Silent Protest is Actually a Good Thing
The reduction in low-priority law-enforcement? This is a good thing. I find much of this to be a waste of police resources. (a.)Parking tickets, (b.)petty-theft investigations, (c.)public urination, (d.)drug possession arrests, (e.)public intoxication, (f.)traffic violation citations: these are all things I think law enforcement all over the US has taken too much of an interest in. Let's go down my list:

a. Parking Tickets
I don't think parking tickets should be a thing. Mostly because of the oppression of self-driving car technology (because of how much would be lost in the insurance and audo industry if we had level 4 SDCs driving around in our cities), we are stuck without SDCs. In 1996, we had a matured level 2.5 SDC technology meaning it could drive itself, for the most part, with little human intervention (sounds like level 3, but it could not drive in city streets: only highways). Where is the $50 billion annual investment into SDCs? The number of lives saved, alone, is worth the investment. The amount of money saved by regular Americans is much greater than $50 billion. There are talks of a level 3 to level 4 SDC infrastructure saving hundreds of billions to low trillions, annually. I'm not talking out of my ass:

"Morgan Stanley provided an extract from the initial report which provides an outline of how they arrived at the annual $1.3 trillion in savings."

http://robohub.org/morgan-stanley-reports-on-the-economic-benefits-of-driverless-cars-2/

So where am I going with all of this? Parking tickets are such a lame and archaic waste of resources. Cars should be parking themselves and people should never worry about parking tickets. Also, the technology exists to make ticketing for parking, automate-able. Meaning, there's no reason a human ever has to enter the equation for issuing parking citations. This is not an expensive technology to implement: we already use it with stop-light cameras. But, here we are, pretending it is the 1950s, still, by having humans enforce parking.

Conclusion: Automate parking citations in the immediate future. The SDC technology should invalidate the prior measure. Cops should stop wasting their time with parking citations.

b. Petty Theft
Petty theft is a poverty, education, and drug problem. By citing, arresting, and imprisoning people who steal things; such as food, bikes, and other non-"it is a felony if you still this"-possessions; you are trying to solve a symptom, not a problem. Let's look at bike theft (this applies to NYC). Most thieves are amateurs trying to sell stolen bikes or bike parts for quick bucks. Why? Some have drug problems and need to get a fix, some are poor and out of work and need money for food, some need transportation, and some have a mental problem (such as kleptomania). There are probably other issues (perhaps gang related) but those do not constitute that majority or large portion of big theft. It seems like much of this could be resolved with a basic income and better drug and mental health support systems (uhhh....you know....better healthcare for the poor?).

c. Public Urination
Yeah, this should always be a low priority. Other cities, such as The Hague, have put up urinals around their city streets to lower public urination (and it works to reduce public urination (onto buildings, sidewalks, and such). Rightfully so, this should always be a low priority.

d. Drug Possession Arrests
There should be no such thing as a "drug possession arrest." Some drugs should not be legal but the penalties for using and selling those drugs should be rehab and fines, respectively. Some drugs should probably never be used such as krokodil and meth, but the research is quite clear the that legalization and support systems are better for keeping the use and distribution down for all types of drugs. I think there should be an immediate executive order that stops all drug possession arrests. There should then be an amendment that says no drug use or drug sales will ever result in prison time. Then we should invest the a portion of the hundreds of billions of dollars spent on drug law enforcement and jailing and imprisoning drug offenders, on rehab and other mental health issues (hey...it could go towards funding a healthcare system where a universal healthcare option).

e. Public Intoxication
This is similar to the above (d.). What many Americans don't want to think about is alcohol is a drug and the abuse or misuse of alcohol is a drug problem. Le gasp!

f. Traffic Violations (moving violations)
See point a.: this should not exist, at this current moment in time due to SDCs.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
The police's position seems facile to me. Their sense of being wronged stems from what I believe is their presumption that the mayor shouldn't even indirectly criticize the police, even when their effectiveness and fairness in serving New York's citizens comes into question. It's true that being a cop is a dangerous, often thankless job, especially in a city like New York City, but by blaming the mayor's relatively innocuous comments about latent racism in the police for any perceived elevation in the threat the average officer faces, the police are attempting to change the subject and obviate any discussion about their tactics and approach to law enforcement.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Here are my thoughts on this situation (and feel free to disagree with them with extreme vitriol as I am not married to my thoughts on this):

1. [b]The Police State
I am not happy with the police-state that America has turned into. From no-knock warrants, spying on American Citizens without warrants, illegal detainment (it is illegal due to the supremacy clause and the 4th amendment), and the over-the-top aggression from police forces that seems to be escalating. If some mayor is not happy with the racist, overly-aggressive and violent behavior of the local police-force, whoopty-f*cking-do. Perhaps they should use this as an opportunity to address some of the racist policies that they have? Perhaps they should use this as an opportunity to learn how to win the hearts and minds of the people they protect? The police have it wrong: they are not the boss. They are servants of the people. They view themselves as superior. A super-class of citizens who get more rights and privileges than the regular one.

2. The Silent Protest is Actually a Good Thing
The reduction in low-priority law-enforcement? This is a good thing. I find much of this to be a waste of police resources. (a.)Parking tickets, (b.)petty-theft investigations, (c.)public urination, (d.)drug possession arrests, (e.)public intoxication, (f.)traffic violation citations: these are all things I think law enforcement all over the US has taken too much of an interest in. Let's go down my list:

a. Parking Tickets
I don't think parking tickets should be a thing. Mostly because of the oppression of self-driving car technology (because of how much would be lost in the insurance and audo industry if we had level 4 SDCs driving around in our cities), we are stuck without SDCs. In 1996, we had a matured level 2.5 SDC technology meaning it could drive itself, for the most part, with little human intervention (sounds like level 3, but it could not drive in city streets: only highways). Where is the $50 billion annual investment into SDCs? The number of lives saved, alone, is worth the investment. The amount of money saved by regular Americans is much greater than $50 billion. There are talks of a level 3 to level 4 SDC infrastructure saving hundreds of billions to low trillions, annually. I'm not talking out of my ass:

"Morgan Stanley provided an extract from the initial report which provides an outline of how they arrived at the annual $1.3 trillion in savings."

http://robohub.org/morgan-stanley-reports-on-the-economic-benefits-of-driverless-cars-2/

So where am I going with all of this? Parking tickets are such a lame and archaic waste of resources. Cars should be parking themselves and people should never worry about parking tickets. Also, the technology exists to make ticketing for parking, automate-able. Meaning, there's no reason a human ever has to enter the equation for issuing parking citations. This is not an expensive technology to implement: we already use it with stop-light cameras. But, here we are, pretending it is the 1950s, still, by having humans enforce parking.

Conclusion: Automate parking citations in the immediate future. The SDC technology should invalidate the prior measure. Cops should stop wasting their time with parking citations.

b. Petty Theft
Petty theft is a poverty, education, and drug problem. By citing, arresting, and imprisoning people who steal things; such as food, bikes, and other non-"it is a felony if you still this"-possessions; you are trying to solve a symptom, not a problem. Let's look at bike theft (this applies to NYC). Most thieves are amateurs trying to sell stolen bikes or bike parts for quick bucks. Why? Some have drug problems and need to get a fix, some are poor and out of work and need money for food, some need transportation, and some have a mental problem (such as kleptomania). There are probably other issues (perhaps gang related) but those do not constitute that majority or large portion of big theft. It seems like much of this could be resolved with a basic income and better drug and mental health support systems (uhhh....you know....better healthcare for the poor?).

c. Public Urination
Yeah, this should always be a low priority. Other cities, such as The Hague, have put up urinals around their city streets to lower public urination (and it works to reduce public urination (onto buildings, sidewalks, and such). Rightfully so, this should always be a low priority.

d. Drug Possession Arrests
There should be no such thing as a "drug possession arrest." Some drugs should not be legal but the penalties for using and selling those drugs should be rehab and fines, respectively. Some drugs should probably never be used such as krokodil and meth, but the research is quite clear the that legalization and support systems are better for keeping the use and distribution down for all types of drugs. I think there should be an immediate executive order that stops all drug possession arrests. There should then be an amendment that says no drug use or drug sales will ever result in prison time. Then we should invest the a portion of the hundreds of billions of dollars spent on drug law enforcement and jailing and imprisoning drug offenders, on rehab and other mental health issues (hey...it could go towards funding a healthcare system where a universal healthcare option).

e. Public Intoxication
This is similar to the above (d.). What many Americans don't want to think about is alcohol is a drug and the abuse or misuse of alcohol is a drug problem. Le gasp!

f. Traffic Violations (moving violations)
See point a.: this should not exist, at this current moment in time due to SDCs. [/B]

Really it was unnecessary. I learned my lesson well enough without having to pay that extra money.

Part of me however thinks that there should be civil penalties for people who can easily afford to pay for the damages caused by their reckless driving, but there's no way you could enforce this without it being seen (rightfully) as aimed at the 1 Percent.

Perhaps layoff of these cops are needed or cut back to part time status of 20 hours per week. With that many cops going to funerals who is around to so call police the community. Obviously not that many are needed in the first place.

when they do something to other ppl its cool

when something happen to them its a issue

From what little I know of these recent events, I just think the mayor should not have voiced his opinion or personal concern in public. If he had serious concerns then it should've been dealt as an internal matter away the media & not openly show distrust to his own police force.

He is a very stupid individual that needs to resign.

Cops are acting like a bunch of diaperbabies over a minor comment about a known and serious issue.

If anyone should be talking shit about the police incompetence, it should be the mayor. He is one of their bosses, afterall.

Originally posted by Tzeentch
If anyone should be talking shit about the police incompetence, it should be the mayor. He is one of their bosses, afterall.

GTFO of here with your logic and reasoning.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
I basically agree. Coming from a southern state where the sun is hot-hot-hot, I'm very much in favor of the police enforcing regulations against public urination, but I'm with you on decriminalizing possession. I'm also against traffic citations for the most part. I recently got into an accident (I hydroplaned into a university shuttle during a storm) and got the front of my car crumpled. 3 grand of damage, all of it paid out of pocket because I don't have collision insurance (Just catastrophic), and a 166 dollar fine on top of that for "following too closely."

Really it was unnecessary. I learned my lesson well enough without having to pay that extra money.

Part of me however thinks that there should be civil penalties for people who can easily afford to pay for the damages caused by their reckless driving, but there's no way you could enforce this without it being seen (rightfully) as aimed at the 1 Percent.

For the public urination, other than the public urinals like other cities have used to reduce that, you could offer people one of two choices: the fine or 4-8 hours of community service which includes picking up trash off the city streets or washing down the city streets/sidewalks

Originally posted by Robtard
Cops are acting like a bunch of diaperbabies over a minor comment about a known and serious issue.

It's always easier to comment one's opinion on a group of people without personally knowing each individual's decision to act the way they do so.

I stopped paying attention to them when they said that the mayor had blood on his hands simply because he gave a rather meek criticism that essentially said some cops may or may not be bad and may or may not need to be better.

They're acting like bratty kids.

Originally posted by Esau Cairn
It's always easier to comment one's opinion on a group of people without personally knowing each individual's decision to act the way they do so.

Fine, as a group and maybe not as individuals as I don't personally know each and every one, they're acting like a bunch of diaperbabies over a minor comment about a known and serious issue.

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
He is a very stupid individual that needs to resign.

To my mind, if anyone should lose their job, it should be the head of the police union, who's done nothing but stoke trouble.

Look at all the liberal brainwashed drones here.

Lets throw out the fact he campaigned against cops while running for Mayor..

****ing stupid.

TI is turning his back on us all.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
TI is turning his back on us all.

He slammed cops non stop before he came mayor. He grew up in a time when new york cops were very crooked, that got cleaned up 25 years ago. NYC is literally the safest city in America today for its size. NYC is the finest PD in the nation, he has a tainted view of police from his up brining. His view is skewed and unrightfully bias from his upbringing.

Originally posted by BackFire
I stopped paying attention to them when they said that the mayor had blood on his hands simply because he gave a rather meek criticism that essentially said some cops may or may not be bad and may or may not need to be better.

They're acting like bratty kids.

Wrong.

Originally posted by Tzeentch
If anyone should be talking shit about the police incompetence, it should be the mayor. He is one of their bosses, afterall.

Typical liberal attitude, blame everyone but yourself.

He is the one that campaigned against the cops and now he is "SHOCKED" at the police attitude.

****ing nerve on people here.