Traya and Nihilus vs. Talzin and Vitiate

Originally posted by Nephthys
Uh, heck yeah he would. Especially if he was in the heart of his power like Talzin was.

No it hasn't, the novels description directly contradicts the movie and obviously Sidious bending Maces lightsaber back towards his face wasn't literal anyway. 🙄 Vitiate was weakened against the HoT and the Hero is immensely powerful in her own right.

Oh and Talzin wasn't, was she? Vitiate was massively weakened.

No, the movie was slowed down because they wanted the fight to actually look good, moving at blinding speeds that made them invisible obviously wouldn't work. The Novel stands.

It was in the heart of his power.

You yourself have claimed on multiple occasions, when I have argued against the HOT, that Vitiate had time to strengthen himself again so he was not significantly weakened. If you want me to dig through your post history to find it I will.

Talzin was actually weakened however, and while she was on a Nexus, it boosted Sidious too and didn't diminish the HOT like Dromund Kaas would. And yes she was weakened, stop using the "it says could" bull shit, since Sidious himself said they could not kill her on Dathomir, and had to resort to weakening her.

Emperor's lightning is hot enough to melt bodies and superheat metal.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Emperor's lightning is hot enough to melt bodies and superheat metal.

Meaningless when his ability to use the force will instantly be devoured, along with his connection to life itself.

Originally posted by Selenial
No, the movie was slowed down because they wanted the fight to actually look good, moving at blinding speeds that made them invisible obviously wouldn't work. The Novel stands.

It was in the heart of his power.

You yourself have claimed on multiple occasions, when I have argued against the HOT, that Vitiate had time to strengthen himself again so he was not significantly weakened. If you want me to dig through your post history to find it I will.

Talzin was actually weakened however, and while she was on a Nexus, it boosted Sidious too and didn't diminish the HOT like Dromund Kaas would. And yes she was weakened, stop using the "it says could" bull shit, since Sidious himself said they could not kill her on Dathomir, and had to resort to weakening her.

That's not what I'm talking about. In the movie Mace's lightsaber isn't bent back towards him. In fact, Mace is constantly able to push his saber towards Sidious and is clearly overpowering Sidious' lightning.

What was?

I'm pretty sure I didn't say that, I said that he had recovered partially but was still highly weakened. The nexus and the Hero's own disadvantages should then be factored in. That said, I'm certainly allowed to reevaluate am I not?

No she wasn't, not confirmed as weakened at least. Sorry, but I'm sticking with that regardless of what Sidious might have said. And that doesn't really make any sense, since Talzin was already weakened and on Dathomir. And there's nothing suggesting Sidious could gain from Dathomir, which uniquely benefits the witches there.

Originally posted by Board Walker
Meaningless when his ability to use the force will instantly be devoured, along with his connection to life itself.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Emperor is not a mortal. He does not have weaknesses of a mortal against Force powers.

Mortal or immortal, to use the force you need to be connected to it of which Nihilus instantly removes that.

Originally posted by Board Walker
Mortal or immortal, to use the force you need to be connected to it of which Nihilus instantly removes that.

If Emperor could be severed from the Force, somebody would have done it.

Emperor's only known vulnerability is against a lightsaber.

lol

Originally posted by Nephthys
That's not what I'm talking about. In the movie Mace's lightsaber isn't bent back towards him. In fact, Mace is constantly able to push his saber [b]towards Sidious and is clearly overpowering Sidious' lightning.

What was?

I'm pretty sure I didn't say that, I said that he had recovered partially but was still highly weakened. The nexus and the Hero's own disadvantages should then be factored in. That said, I'm certainly allowed to reevaluate am I not?

No she wasn't, not confirmed as weakened at least. Sorry, but I'm sticking with that regardless of what Sidious might have said. And that doesn't really make any sense, since Talzin was already weakened and on Dathomir. And there's nothing suggesting Sidious could gain from Dathomir, which uniquely benefits the witches there. [/B]

Nothing else I can convince you of, since your current arguments are you sticking your fingers in your ears and making the "La la" sound.

But yeh, Dathomir is a DS Nexus, BOS confirmed it iirc.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Force Sever?

If Emperor could be severed from the Force, somebody would have done it.

Emperor's only known vulnerability is against a lightsaber.

He doesn't force sever, Nihilus devours the very bonds and connections of the force and life itself. He doesn't sever someone from the force, he devours the bonds and connections between an entity and the force/life.

Force sever is denying someone the ability to use the force, Nihilus doesn't do that. He devours the connections an entity has that connects them to Life, and the force it self. They simply die as they have nothing to sustain them, the force is life.

Originally posted by Board Walker
He doesn't force sever, Nihilus devours the very bonds and connections of the force and life itself. He doesn't sever someone from the force, he devours the bonds and connections between an entity and the force/life.

Force sever is denying someone the ability to use the force, Nihilus doesn't do that. He devours the connections an entity has that connects them to Life, and the force it self. They simply die as they have nothing to sustain them, the force is life.

You are describing a variant of Force Drain; the devouring aspect is Force Drain in the works. Force Drain is commonly used to siphon life-force of a target. However, Force Drain have multiple variants and their nature and purpose may vary. As an example, Death Field significantly accelerates aging process of the target, disintegrating it eventually in a certain amount of time.

Nihilus does not consumes the Force itself by the way. However, as per your description, he consumes life-force and does something to the midichlorians of the target. Such draining process proves lethal to a life-form.

Lol at Vitiate being immune to Sever Force.

Team 1. Traya > Talzin, Nihilus > Vitiate.

Interesting thread but lol @ some of the posts.

Anyway team 2 wins.

Emperor survived Nathema ritual event. He seems to have developed excellent defenses against these powers.

He survived it because all the power was being transferred to him to begin with. That's some mad stupid logic to think surviving something meant to empower you makes you immune to to the something.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
He survived it because all the power was being transferred to him to begin with. That's some mad stupid logic to think surviving something meant to empower you makes you immune to to the something.

The Sith Lords created a nexus of dark side energy on Medriaas with the ritual, the largest one ever. However, Emperor turned on his allies and used the nexus to his benefit, consuming all biota on the planet along with the Force surrounding the planet itself to achieve corporeal immortality.

This condition seems to have increased Emperor's safeguard against Force powers. Emperor even transformed some of his followers into virtually immortal beings so that he could drain them virtually endlessly to satiate his hunger and continue to grow in power.

In-fact, a cut content of KoTOR II depicts a fight between Sion and Nihilus in which the latter wins but fails to destroy Sion. Reason? Sion's immortality.

Perhaps Obsidian and BioWare are on the same page on this matter.

Assuming Vitiate can block Nihilus' drain then Talzin and Vitiate stomp.

Legend, Sidious has empowered people with the dark side, stop acting like its some wank worthy one of a kind shit, it's not. Even the Nighsisters did it.

And Sion and Vitiate are completely different, if you actually played Kotor 2 you'd understand that.

Sidious never conferred immortality tho. Vitiate 1 Shitious 0. excellent