Traya and Nihilus vs. Talzin and Vitiate

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[i]Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD [i]In-fact, a cut content of KoTOR II depicts a fight between Sion and Nihilus in which the latter wins but fails to destroy Sion. Reason? Sion's immortality.

Perhaps Obsidian and BioWare are on the same page on this matter. [/B]

Blatantly misleading and misinformed, read the actual video description and you will find out the original cut-content was edited to fit with TSLRCM's version of the cut content.

In the original version Nihilus drains and kills Sion after the Exile is presumed dead and they find out Traya survived, but they could not repair the version of the game that follows this plotline.

So they edited the cutscene to show Sion walking away, to fit the remaining storyline.

Originally posted by Board Walker
Nihilus devours Team's 2 connection with the Force, and with LIFE itself instantly. He doesn't need to devour their force reserves or life force, he literally instant consumes their connections and bonds with the force/life.

Nihilus instant stomps team 2, the nano second the match begins team 2 dies to Nihilus.

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Originally posted by Lord Stark
Assuming Vitiate can block Nihilus' drain then Talzin and Vitiate stomp.

There is no defense to Nihilus' Drain.

^There is, being a hole in the force. And the Dark Reaper defense also likely works.

Originally posted by Selenial
Legend, Sidious has empowered people with the dark side, stop acting like its some wank worthy one of a kind shit, it's not. Even the Nighsisters did it.

Emperor augmented the power of his Imperial Guards (stationed near him) to such a degree that they could negate the powers of the Jedi, forcing a martial conflict upon the Jedi.

In contrast, Yoda casually dismissed two Sidious's guards near his position. It is obvious that Sidious did not empower his guards like Emperor.

In addition, Emperor created alternate personas in thousands of individuals, transforming them into unwitting servants of the dark side (Children) which remained bonded to him until the bonds could be severed or suppressed. How do you think that the Children functioned? Emperor triggered them at will whenever he felt the need to utilize them to do his bidding.

As an example, Master Siyo Bakarn was First Son. The powers demonstrated by First Son are entirely programming of Emperor within the Jedi Master. Children aren't Sith Lords or even practitioners of the dark side, they don't have the time for these acts since they were planted within the enemy ranks.

The events of confrontation between Bersen'thor and First Son remind me of Revan's internal fracture. Syo Bakarn actually became aware of First Son within him during this confrontation and helped Barsen'thor overcome it. First Son was the most powerful manifestation of Emperor's sorcery or telepathic abilities among the Children.

As for Talzin, I recall that she augmented Savage Opress with her sorcery. She also temporarily possessed Dooku. She is decent in these matters.

As for Palpatine, I don't recall him augmenting others with his power of the dark side in comparable manner to Emperor and Talzin. If I am missing something, you may remind me with evidence.

Originally posted by Selenial
And Sion and Vitiate are completely different, if you actually played Kotor 2 you'd understand that.

I am well-aware of the nature of Sion. Its not like as if their is shortage of literature explaining his ground realities.

Sion could be convinced to give up his immortality which is a sign of weakness. It won't surprise me if somebody could override his will and convince him to give up his immortality and not just through Dun Moch.

Emperor's condition is apparently permanent, corporeal immortality cannot be undone with Force powers. As an example: accelerating aging will not work since Emperor did not age after his transformation, therefore Death Field variant of drain is ineffective against him by virtue of Emperor's condition.

Emperor's vessel can be damaged with a weapon though (i.e. lightsaber) but he cannot be stopped in this manner because Emperor learned to preserve his essence as well and can possess another host at will.

My point is that Emperor's vulnerabilities to Force powers are virtually minimized in part due to his corporeal immortality. The rest is open to speculation.

Originally posted by Bigblue442
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There is no defense to Nihilus' Drain.


According to Traya only.

Also, Nihilus' drain variant is as ancient as the Sith themselves. Their is your answer.

Originally posted by Lord Stark
^There is, being a hole in the force. And the Dark Reaper defense also likely works.

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Honestly, Nihilus's feat doesn't really impress me that much. There's no information on how he accomplished it, what methods he used, or what aid he had when performing it.

Um, we actually see the technique being used like, 3 times. Sorry bro. 🙁

We also have detailed explanations of how it works and of course we have the examples of the Exile and the Trayas Assassins using a lesser version of it without effort or inclination.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Um, we actually see the technique being used like, 3 times. Sorry bro. 🙁

None of which preclude prep or aid. 😉

Originally posted by Nephthys
We also have detailed explanations of how it works and of course we have the examples of the Exile and the Trayas Assassins using a lesser version of it without effort or inclination.

None of which has any bearing on what I said. We don't know how he accomplishes it, what methods are used, and whether or not he has aid. It's just not that impressive tbh. stoned

Without Drain, Traya's out of her depth.

Originally posted by The_Tempest
None of which preclude prep or aid. 😉

None of which has any bearing on what I said. We don't know how he accomplishes it, what methods are used, and whether or not he has aid. It's just not that impressive tbh. stoned


That's such a bad double standard though, it's disgusting.

Vitiate iz one rare reziztance to Nihiluz....

Originally posted by The_Tempest
None of which preclude prep or aid. 😉

None of which has any bearing on what I said. We don't know how he accomplishes it, what methods are used, and whether or not he has aid. It's just not that impressive tbh. stoned

Dawww, so cute.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
That's such a bad double standard though, it's disgusting.
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Those would be Neph's words and Neph's double standards. I'm just making them less doubly.

Honestly, Nihilus's feat doesn't really impress me that much. There's no information on how he accomplished it, what methods he used, or what aid he had when performing it.

Wait, what? You just described Sidious' Byss feat as incredibly impressive, while having the same amount of "unknowns" involved.

Nihilus' destruction of Katarr remains the most impressive thing I've seen in the mythos next to Luke's black hole feat.

He's trying to mess with me. So tsundere. 🙄

Beefy
Wait, what? You just described Sidious' Byss feat as incredibly impressive, while having the same amount of "unknowns" involved.

Nihilus' destruction of Katarr remains the most impressive thing I've seen in the mythos next to Luke's black hole feat.

Me
Spoiler:
Those would be Neph's words and Neph's double standards. I'm just making them less doubly.

Its a good thing I didn't go back and read from the beginning.

Originally posted by psmith81992
Its a good thing I didn't go back and read from the beginning.

Reading's for liberals.

Originally posted by psmith81992
Nihilus' destruction of Katarr remains the most impressive thing I've seen in the mythos next to Luke's black hole feat.

Thing is you haven't seen it. 🙂

What do you mean?