Originally posted by Arhael
And? In another case he cut her down with lightsaber. Should we discard it on the basis he had help from lightsaber? He is obviously not as powerful as Abeloth. What matters is that he could defend against her Force powers and even grapple with her despite inferiority. That gives him a lot of credit, when matching him against a less impressive power bully like Vitiate.
Luke's one-time (solo) victory over Abeloth is not by virtue of his own power, rather by virtue of combination of his vast combat experience, good presence of mind, weaponry (i.e. lightsaber), and effective utilization of the advantages offered by the setting. I give credit where due though: Luke fought admirably in this setting.
Force powers? Abeloth commonly used her brute strength and tentacles to overcome opponents in combat situations. She is an entity and wildling, not a well-trained and disciplined Force-user warrior. She have demonstrated impressive Force powers on occasions but made limited use of them in combat situations.
The fact that Abeloth lost several avatars in confrontations despite her great power, is testament to her inadequacy as a tactician and warrior.
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Less impressive power bully? Emperor is a brilliant tactician and he valued safety over risks; his combat tactics have served him well for centuries. He is lot more tested then norm and proved his mettle.
Originally posted by Arhael
She was choking him with second body, when he was exhausted from fight with the first. That's about it.
Even if this is not explicitly stated, experienced Jedi are known to replenish their energy after exertions when they have time.
Luke was wounded but had time to replenish his energy and stabilize the injury during the gap between his encounters with Abeloth.
Originally posted by Arhael
No one claimed he doesn't.
Versus scenarios imply otherwise.
Originally posted by Arhael
By all means go ahead. Luke killed Shimra without any help from twins.
Sure:
When he came to an instant later, he saw that Luke had obviously intercepted Shimrra's follow-up blow. But now, monstrous in aspect and power, Shimrra hovered over Luke like a rancor. Luke's lightsaber thrummed through the air, but Shimrra refused to be kept at bay. Luke tried to Force-leap out of reach, but the Supreme Overlord had him caged.
The master of defense is one who is never in the place that is attacked, Jacen recalled Vergere saying. Shimrra appeared to have learned the same lesson. Lunging, the thick, three-meter-long amphistaff wound itself around Luke's torso, pinning his right arm and lightsaber hilt to his side, the green blade aimed at the floor. Just in time, Luke managed to get his left hand
gripped on the snake's uppermost coils and the head as it loosed volumes of venom at him. But Luke was rapidly being squeezed to death by the amphistaff.
Feeling his uncle's suffocation in his own crushed chest, Jacen summoned his strength and crawled frantically for his lightsaber. Calling it to his right hand, he sent it hurtling through the air at Shimrra's head. The Supreme Overlord raised his left hand in a parry; then, with Jacen's lightsaber spinning off toward the throne, he reached into the folds of his hide cape and extracted a lightsaber! With a flourish, he activated it. A violet blade shot forth with the familiar snap-hiss. Jacen recognized it immediately. Anakin's lightsaber.
"Weapon of the Solo we killed at Myrkr," Shimrra said, his eyes shifting through colors as the energy shaft thrummed: "Conveyed to Yuuzhan'tar by the traitor Vergere, wielded by the Jeedai Ganner against so many of my warriors, retrieved when he died and brought to me, and now yours to
confront. So that you may know what my warriors experience at Zonama Sekot, forced to fight against other living vessels."
Jacen was too stunned to respond; too disheartened to move. Shimrra waved the blade close to Luke's head. Luke removed his left hand from the amphistaff's throat to grab Shimrra's right wrist. The serpentine weapon immediately stiffened and plunged itself into the left side of Luke's chest.
Luke screamed in pain.
The Supreme Overlord reared back to gloat: "One thrust and the deed is done!"
Then all at once, Anakin's lightsaber flew from Shimrra's grip into Luke's left hand. Through his Vongsense, Jacen could feel Shimrra's astonishment and dismay. In a motion almost too swift for Jacen's eyes to follow, Luke slit the throat of Shimrra's amphistaff. As its coils began to relax, he sliced his own lightsaber he sliced his own lightsaber blade upward,
cutting the amphistaff's body into segments. As a horrified Shimrra leaned forward, as if to vise his huge hands around Luke's neck, Luke crossed the blades and shoved them upward toward Shimrra's neck.
The blades burned clean through. Shimrra's decapitated head dropped to the floor with a loud thud! and his body crumbled. Luke hauled himself out from under the Supreme Overlord's body and collapsed against the wall.
Taken from The Unifying Force.
As you can see, Shimrra would have killed Luke if Jacen had not interfered. With Jacen's interference, Luke acquired two lightsabers and gained advantage.
Originally posted by Arhael
I didn't. Pulling dovin basal hole is a mediocre feat by Luke's standards. Luke collapsed only because he was in a very bad shape out of practice, in the same book he got exhausted even after short fight with three Vongs. I the end of NJO in comparison Luke marched through countless Vongs, killed multiple Slayers and defeated Shimra.
The vong black hole manipulation feat exhausted Luke because it was a tedious task. It exhausted Kyp as well. And these showings aren't mediocre.
Details are here: http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=607245&pagenumber=3
Luke performed this feat with full concentration.
Originally posted by Arhael
He does. As well as powers Luke never demonstrated.
Enlighten me.