Luke Skywalker vs. Vitiate

Started by Nephthys8 pages

Legend is correct in that it was only Luke's assessment since the quote is from his perspective. I can't see him being that far off in it though.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
I feel people who haven't read FOTJ are getting a false understanding of Abeloth's power. Wookieepedia does a bad job on her.
She is easily the worst combatant-to-power character in the Star Wars mythos... reading the books would that make crystal clear.
BTW LeGenD, in terms of power demonstration, Abeloth would demolish Vitiate. She melted and destroyed entire cities of Sith with Force Screams.

Isn't she literally insane?

I would put Abeloth a shit ton above Luke yeah, but the difference is she is an awful combatant.
She melted and destroyed entire cities of Sith with Force Screams but couldn't beat some Tribe members.

Isn't she literally insane?

The embodiment of chaos and insanity, yeah. Nothing about her is suppose to make sense, which is the point.

This city is of unknown size and content.

Here are some details:

Her anguish used the Force as a weapon, as she had so often before, but this time she was barely aware that she was releasing nearly inconceivable amounts of Force energy upon a city that was completely unprepared for it.

There were several dozen beings within immediate range, some sleeping quietly in their beds. Most were with their families.

They imploded. Farther away, others awoke in agony as their bodies were turned inside out and chunks were ripped from their bones.

The entire city was attacked by a wind filled with glass shards, each a shikkar driven with a single purpose - to hurt anyone, anything, living inside the City of Glass. They were the Lost Tribe - they would suffer, all of them, as their leader had made her suffer.

The shards melted as they pierced flesh, spreading white-hot, painful death. The buildings, made of metal and glass, dripped slowly toward the ground, smothering those unfortunate enough to be dwelling inside them.

None of it harmed Abeloth, though she would not have noticed it if had. She barely noticed she was lifted from the street where she lay convulsing up into the night air, and a large shape that looked like nothing so much as an angry orange eye sped toward her.

And you think this is grand?

One of Empire's sorcerers also have comparable showing: Lord Fulminiss

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
That city is of unknown size and content.

Here:

Her anguish used the Force as a weapon, as she had so often before, but this time she was barely aware that she was releasing nearly inconceivable amounts of Force energy upon a city that was completely unprepared for it.

There were several dozen beings within immediate range, some sleeping quietly in their beds. Most were with their families.

They imploded. Farther away, others awoke in agony as their bodies were turned inside out and chunks were ripped from their bones.

The entire city was attacked by a wind filled with glass shards, each a shikkar driven with a single purpose - to hurt anyone, anything, living inside the City of Glass. They were the Lost Tribe - they would suffer, all of them, as their leader had made her suffer.

The shards melted as they pierced flesh, spreading white-hot, painful death. The buildings, made of metal and glass, dripped slowly toward the ground, smothering those unfortunate enough to be dwelling inside them.

None of it harmed Abeloth, though she would not have noticed it if had. She barely noticed she was lifted from the street where she lay convulsing up into the night air, and a large shape that looked like nothing so much as an angry orange eye sped toward her.

And you think this is grand?

One of Empire's sorcerers also have comparable showing.


No, the city was the capital of the entire planet of Kesh. Here's some pics:

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
No, the city was the capital of the entire planet of Kesh. Here's some pics:


Still, it isn't New York City or something.

About Lord Fulminiss:

Widely regarded as one of the greatest Sith sorcerers in the Empire, the enigmatic Lord Fulminiss is a master of the dark side’s most arcane and lethal aspects. The grotesque Harrower assassins are his most famous creation, but legend has it he once summoned a raging storm of pure Force energy that disintegrated a rebellious city of natives in the Imperial-conquered Jabiim system. Lord Fulminiss is a respected expert on the topic of mass extermination, and at the Emperor’s request, he has performed extensive research into new ways of eliminating planetary populations. More than one Dark Council member has paid handsomely to obtain a record of Lord Fulminiss’s work for his or her private perusal.

Sorry, but killing hundreds-to-thousands of Sith instantly without even noticing is a display of raw power that would demolish even the likes of Luke, Sidious, or Vitiate if directed at them.

Jabiim had a population of 100 million, meaning that City was probably tiny

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Sorry, but killing hundreds-to-thousands of Sith instantly without even noticing is a display of raw power that would demolish even the likes of Luke, Sidious, or Vitiate if directed at them.

And this raw power somehow is not visible in combat situations? Is this my fault?

There are Sith powers which can do lot more devastation then that feat of Abeloth.

She canonically killed "thousands of beings" in a "wave of pain" that was described as a "tsunami."
Only superior domination displays is from Darth Nihilus consuming worlds. Nothing else compares.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
She canonically killed "thousands of beings" in a "wave of pain" that was described as a "tsunami."
Only superior domination displays is from Darth Nihilus consuming worlds, tbh Nothing else compares.

Mega-cities alone have millions of populace in real life. In-fact, their are population centers in Star Wars that have billions of individuals.

Force Storm (Wormhole) rings bells?

Also, Dread Masters destroyed entire fleets with their fear powers, imagine the casualties they inflicted. And they are stated to be insignificant in comparison to Emperor.

Lord Fulminiss also destroyed an entire city once, I provided evidence. He is also Emperor's inferior.

Emperor is capable of mass devastation, should he ever try. He is depicted as a shadowy figure but do not mistake this as a sign of weakness on his part.

Abeloth is way beyond Vitiate. It's not even close TBH.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Force Storm (Wormhole) rings bells?

Also, Dread Masters destroyed entire fleets with their fear powers. And they are stated to be insignificant in comparison to Emperor.

Lord Fulminiss also destroyed an entire city once. He is also Emperor's inferior.

Emperor can do lot more devastation should he ever try. He is depicted as a shadowy figure but do not mistake this as a sign of weakness on his part.

Sidious has better showings than the dread masters.

Random hijack I know, but you acting like they're the best at what they do keeps making me laugh.

Sidious probably could do a display like Abeloth did here (with a lot more effort, obviously), but never had the opportunity due to lack of Force-sensitives in the galaxy.
Dread Masters and Lord Fluminiss don't compare to destroying an entire city of Force-Sensitive Sith. 😐 Even Emperor Vitiate hasn't shown anything on this type of scale yet.

Originally posted by ares834
Abeloth is way beyond Vitiate. It's not even close TBH.

Prove it.

Did you see the scene where Abeloth showed enough raw power to send Luke and the entire Jedi Order into a full sprinting retreat?

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Prove it.

We already did, you fell back on double standards.

Originally posted by Selenial
Sidious has better showings than the dread masters.

Random hijack I know, but you acting like they're the best at what they do keeps making me laugh.


Sidious have better showings then Abeloth.

And I did not assert that Dread Masters are the best. They are very impressive masters of the dark side nonetheless.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Prove it.

She defeated the Son and Daughter. Both of whom have been confirmed to be more powerful than Vitiate.

Done. That was easy.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Did you see the scene where Abeloth showed enough raw power to send Luke and the entire Jedi Order into a full sprinting retreat?

Enlighten me.

Originally posted by ares834
She defeated the Son and Daughter. Both of whom have been confirmed to be more powerful than Vitiate.

Done. That was easy.


Abeloth beating the Daughter alone proves her superiority to Vitiate, but I disagree with the implication she is more powerful then any member of the Mortis family.