Originally posted by ares834
I'm still insure why people are so impressed by Plageuis's saber skills. He showed little of note in the novel other than killing a featless Sith Lord and killing some mooks. It's his force powers that truly made him monstrous.
He's stupidly strong, very fast, incredibly powerful and a deadly duelist. IMO he's similar to Sidious in that while he is uninterested in dueling, he is nonetheless a master swordsman with the power to throw down with the best.
Originally posted by ares834
I'm still unsure why people are so impressed by Plageuis's saber skills. He showed little of note in the novel other than killing a featless Sith Lord and killing some mooks. It's his force powers that truly made him monstrous.
While I agree that he is often given too much credit in this area, he definitely has the chops to back up his status as a high-calibre duelist.
I mean, the lone fact that a fairly lightsaber-heavy Banite Sith considers you a master duelist is already pretty solid hype; and from there he goes on to defeat Darth Venamis--another apprentice of Darth Tenebrous who demonstrated enormous levels of technical skill in their duel--despite the fact that Venamis was trained specifically to counter his style.
Also, while it's supposedly a fairly standard ritual for a Banite Sith, Plagueis also defeated hundreds of Kursid Warriors without killing them, alongside his apprentice Palpatine. He also deflected fire from dozens of shooters firing from multiple directions at once, which paints the picture of a very talented swordsmaster.
And again, as Nephthys noted, he's stronger than Vader and faster than Maul with incredible levels of endurance and ability to sustain damage.
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Everything you named there, Revan has done too, just against different and better opponents.
Not at all! He's weaker than Vader, and slower than Maul; none of the Banite lineage have anything to say about his dueling abilities, in none of his major duels was his opponent trained for the sole purpose of countering his style, and none of his blast deflection feats are remotely as impressive. 😄
That said, Plagueis also isn't the awesomesauce duelist some make him out to be, either; Exar Kun has a legitimate chance as well.
Plagueiz get deafeted by a guy with a light zaber ztaff XD
I Azzume than plagueiz and Revan are quazi equal in light zaber combat... Juzt than Plagueiz phyzical augmentation are clearly better.. Where Revan focuz on zpeed and have a better zppeed... Revan uze longue blade and Malak too, Malak have the longezt blade in all the EU... Conzidering than Revan waz zparing with him Plagueiz reach won't affect the combat....
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Everything you named there, Revan has done too, just against different and better opponents. 😬
I look forward to future Plagueis topics with you putting Revan above him as a duelist. Kun wins this one.
Except that he hasn't done any of what he said? He hasn't been regarded as a master swordsman by anyone noteworthy, he hasn't defeated a massively skilled dude specifically trained to counter him, he's not stronger than Vader, he's not faster than Maul, he hasn't defeated a hundred warriors without killing them, he hasn't deflected fire from dozens of attackers and multiple angles at once.
So um, you're completely full of shit?
Originally posted by NewGuy01
Not at all! He's weaker than Vader, and slower than Maul; none of the Banite lineage have anything to say about his dueling abilities, in none of his major duels was his opponent trained for the sole purpose of countering his style, and none of his blast deflection feats are remotely as impressive. 😄That said, Plagueis also isn't the awesomesauce duelist some make him out to be, either; Exar Kun has a legitimate chance as well.
Originally posted by NewGuy01
I mean, the lone fact that a fairly lightsaber-heavy Banite Sith considers you a master duelist is already pretty solid hype; and from there he goes on to defeat Darth Venamis--another apprentice of Darth Tenebrous who demonstrated enormous levels of technical skill in their duel--despite the fact that Venamis was trained specifically to counter his style.Also, while it's supposedly a fairly standard ritual for a Banite Sith, Plagueis also defeated hundreds of Kursid Warriors without killing them, alongside his apprentice Palpatine. He also deflected fire from dozens of shooters firing from multiple directions at once, which paints the picture of a very talented swordsmaster.
None of which are all that impressive.
Originally posted by NewGuy01
he's stronger than Vader and faster than Maul with incredible levels of endurance and ability to sustain damage.
I'll admit I didn't consider Plagueis's force enhanced attributes which are very impressive. However, I would disagree with both of these. As I've claimed several times before there is a big deference between running speed and dueling speed. Also punching through a droid (at least that's what I recall him doing) isn't as impressive as some of Vader's best strength feats.
Originally posted by NewGuy01
I mean, the lone fact that a fairly lightsaber-heavy Banite Sith considers you a master duelist is already pretty solid hype
Originally posted by NewGuy01
and from there he goes on to defeat Darth Venamis--another apprentice of Darth Tenebrous who demonstrated enormous levels of technical skill in their duel--despite the fact that Venamis was trained specifically to counter his style.
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and from there he goes on to defeat Darth Malak--the current reigning Dark Lord of the Sith who is one of the most powerful Sith Lords in history and harnesses an immense command of the Force, yet superior lightsaber abilities in "melee combat"--despite the fact Darth Malak has been stated to be the opposite of Revan in terms of nearly all combat related circumstances.
Originally posted by NewGuy01
Also, while it's supposedly a fairly standard ritual for a Banite Sith, Plagueis also defeated hundreds of Kursid Warriors without killing them, alongside his apprentice Palpatine. He also deflected fire from dozens of shooters firing from multiple directions at once, which paints the picture of a very talented swordsmaster.