Vitiate: Overrated or Underrated?

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
In his debate where he persuaded you to move up Revan, he even admitted he just took what I already wrote in past debates and then sugarcoated it so you would read it, lol.
Very intelligent job on his part, but it is definitely a testament to your bias that you wouldn't read it unless it unless it had Dooku wank. Therefore I shall deem you as a worthless debater.
So yeah, sorry to tell you I don't really take your opinion with any credibility (nor do many active debaters). You claim no bias while in return you actively exploit grotesque double-standards daily.
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Off to bed though, so night.

No, SKILLZ and I have had past debates about revan (other than that last post he wrote out) where he concluded that Revan was noticeably more powerful than Dooku by making very detailed feat analysis of Revan's inferiors, which happened to be quite impressive, to support his conclusion. As I said, it's not an insult to you at all. Both SKILLZ and NewGuy have shown to be beyond their years, and I would never have guessed them to be so young. To feel insulted or insecure about being far below SKILLZ simply suggests that you think too highly of yourself. Calm down I didn't insult you. I didn't even say you were a bad debater. You do go overboard with Revan, though. Also, I never claimed no bias.

BTW, if that last paragraph to missmith offended anyone here, I apologize; I should have used a different example. I was just trying to get across what makes him so annoying: he looks at himself as something he's not here, and actually thinks people acknowledge him as something he's not. Not to mention the lies he has to make up about his life to try to impress people who don't know him and who don't care.

Also, why is titts censored?

I'm not insecure, I am thriving off our discussion. Soon I might make a S66 Disrespect thread. (:< I'll respond later tonight.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
I'm not insecure, I am thriving off our discussion. Soon I might make a S66 Disrespect thread. (:< I'll respond later tonight.

I'll be waiting.

Can't wait for my thread either.

Can someone beyond their years explain what any of this has to do with Vitiate? Maybe it would be best to make a "Is DartAnt66 Overrated or Underrated?" Thread. The comedic vale here had worn off.

Darth Sidious have superior feats then even Abeloth.

So what would people say now?

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Darth Sidious have superior feats then even Abeloth.

So what would people say now?

Indeed he does. But she'd still eat him alive.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Darth Sidious have superior feats then even Abeloth.

So what would people say now?

Does the concept of powerscaling elude the denizen's of this forum :hmm

If we're informed by word of god and narrative that Abeloth is more powerful, it's only logical to assume Abeloth can replicate the kind of energy Sidious can put behind his feats in some form or another.

Think of a theoretical Freeza vs Cell in Dragon Ball.

Freeza has better conventional feats in terms of collateral he doles out, but Cell is a good few magnitudes above him as shown by general narrative and him kicking the ever loving shit out of characters proven well above Freeza.

Originally posted by The_Tempest
Indeed he does. But she'd still eat him alive.

i think people hate vitiate because of what he did to revan tbh

The drama in this thread pleases me.

As for the OP, Vitiate is probably one of the most over-wanked characters in the history of Star Wars. Duh.

Yes he is. He’s definitely not as overrated as sidious.

He's overrated as well as underrated.

In Legends, it was confirmed in many sources, including a reference books (part of G-canon in Legends) that during ROTS, Sidious was a most powerful Sith Lord in history. It might be debateble, if his ROTJ version would be stronger or if his DE version would be stronger (superior knolwegde of that version is confirmed). It might be also debatable, if "Zonakin" wasn't stronger then him, but its rather unlikely.

Mace is confirmed as a guy, who could compete with Sidious. So is Yoda, but he was consider, for a long peroid of time, consider as marginaly inferior to Sidious. Mostly due to ROTS Novel in my opinion, which - in my opinion as well - was inconsisted with a movie. I always prefered to use ROTS script, which seems to show Yoda as marginaly superior.
Dooku could compete with Yoda in AotC and was almost stomped by enraged Anakin during ROTS. There is a lot of quotes, that are putting Mace and Dooku in the same league.

So it should be something like that in movies:

Tier 1: Yoda, Sidious
Tier 2: Dooku, Mace
with Anakin being in either Tier 1 or 2, probably somewhere between those two tiers

or

Tier 1: Yoda, Sidious
Tier 2: Anakin, Mace
Tier 3 (or 2,5): Dooku
with Obi-Wan, one or half tier below Dooku, which shoould be clear

In both scenarios, suited Vader should be in tier 2 at best, probably below Anakin, Mace and Dooku.

By my own powerscaling, Revan is Anakin/Mace/Dooku/Vader level at best. Might be stronger then some of them, inferior to some of them, but still in the same league. Vitiate dominated mentally both Revan and Malak, then defeated Revan, who was supported by his droid and Meetra (before Scourge's decision to kill her). And he did it... well, that wasn't close tbh. But Revan could compete.

So KOTOR/TOR tiers would be like that:

Tier 1: Vitiate
Tier 2: Revan
Tier 3: Malak, Meetra perhaps

Since it's reasonable to put Revan in the same league with Vader, it's also reasonable to put Vitiate above. In the same league with Yoda/Sidious, but with a notion, that he's somehow inferior to them.

Overrated by Vitiots.
Underrated by Sheevites.

Meh, kind of underrated. As of SWTOR, I hold him as an equal to SoR Revan, but he's in no way weak. Especially with the absurd scaling chains Revan gets from Malak as of KOTOR.

SWTOR Vitiate ~ SoR Revan >> KOTOR Revan >>> Tired Hindered SF Revan > SF Malak >>> Malak >> Kun >> Nadd >> Sadow

or the same thing, but with Kun >> THON, Ood, Vodo, etc.

also Kun ~ JA Luke

>I think Vitiate is underrated
>I hold him as equal to Revan
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Originally posted by NewGuy01
>I think Vitiate is underrated
>I hold him as equal to Revan
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Originally posted by IdrisianGraecus
Thanks for the sarcasm buddy. Revan being equal to Vitiate is possible, given that during their fight in the novel, Revan fights him on even grounds for a majority of the fight, despite being hindered by the nexus of Dromund Kaas. Nobody actually gives a shit about the nexus on any forum, despite Dromund Kaas 4000 years later (far weakened - Nexuses weaken a lot over time), is still able to muddle the reflexes of the likes of Luke Skywalker. Jaina Solo, Ben Skywalker, and Vestara Khai are overwhelmed by Kaas, and Luke is hindered absurdly. Revan's growth is noted throughout SoR, and despite characters thinking Revan can't beat Vitiate, it is to be noted that Revan would've effortlessly shitstomped the strike team (Light Revan aided) with a fragment of his power (He was likely saving his power for the "main event", or the ritual to summon Vitiate).