Originally posted by The_Tempest
Make your case, b1tch. Right now, S66 is mushroom tapping the hell out of you.
That he's underrated? People like carthage, stigma and others say that he's worthless and can be easily blitzed by Anakin and up. He's hyped as an almost godlike being of pure dark power who whooped Revan in seconds, yet people hold more respect for the latter than him and suggest that without a nexus and prep he's a limp-wristed feeb. People routinely suggest that people like Sidious, Yoda, Caedus, Plagueis and even Talzin can stomp him. He's underrated by many. I don't know how you think I should establish that without extensively quoting past posts.
Originally posted by Nephthys
That he's underrated? People like carthage, stigma and others say that he's worthless and can be easily blitzed by Anakin and up. He's hyped as an almost godlike being of pure dark power who whooped Revan in seconds, yet people hold more respect for the latter than him and suggest that without a nexus and prep he's a limp-wristed feeb. People routinely suggest that people like Sidious, Yoda, Caedus, Plagueis and even Talzin can stomp him. He's underrated by many. I don't know how you think I should establish that without extensively quoting past posts.
This will do just fine. Proud of you, big boy.
Originally posted by Nephthys
That he's underrated? People like carthage, stigma and others say that he's worthless and can be easily blitzed by Anakin and up. He's hyped as an almost godlike being of pure dark power who whooped Revan in seconds, yet people hold more respect for the latter than him and suggest that without a nexus and prep he's a limp-wristed feeb. People routinely suggest that people like Sidious, Yoda, Caedus, Plagueis and even Talzin can stomp him. He's underrated by many. I don't know how you think I should establish that without extensively quoting past posts.
{Though I would ask if you stand beside LeGenD and Ant in their opinion of the character.}
Originally posted by The_Tempest
{Though I would ask if you stand beside LeGenD and Ant in their opinion of the character.}
I'm open to the idea that Vitiate could be greater than Sidious. He certainly should be, due to being an unprecedented dark power even before he drained 8000 Sith Lords and the energy of a planet and then spent 1400 years continually growing more powerful and mastering the darkside more than anyone else possibly could. Based on that, Legends assessment of him approaching One-like strength should be accurate.
However, Karpyshan and Bioware royally ****ed that up by having Revan and others actually able to compete with him and portraying his abilities extremely poorly. If Bioware wants to get back to portraying him as unimaginably powerful again in the coming expansions, well I'm open to that. As of now though his showings don't support that assessment. I still think that he has some of the greatest Force powers of anyone, particularly in telepathy and lightning where my opinion stands that he's the greatest practitioner of both. But Bioware seriously needs to step up it's game to match the reality with their hype.
Originally posted by Nephthys
I'm open to the idea that Vitiate could be greater than Sidious. He certainly should be, due to being an unprecedented dark power even before he drained 8000 Sith Lords and the energy of a planet and then spent 1400 years continually growing more powerful and mastering the darkside more than anyone else possibly could. Based on that, Legends assessment of him approaching One-like strength should be accurate.However, Karpyshan and Bioware royally ****ed that up by having Revan and others actually able to compete with him and portraying his abilities extremely poorly. If Bioware wants to get back to portraying him as unimaginably powerful again in the coming expansions, well I'm open to that. As of now though his showings don't support that assessment. I still think that he has some of the greatest Force powers of anyone, particularly in telepathy and lightning where my opinion stands that he's the greatest practitioner of both. But Bioware seriously needs to step up it's game to match the reality with their hype.
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Originally posted by Stigma
Don't worry. Palpatine has also better hype, and as of RotS. 👆
True, which is why I pointed that out as well.
LeGenD wants to disregard Palpatine's greatest feat because it happens to be the most destructive and potent attacks in the mythos, yet he constantly wanks Vitiate's aided ritual feats as if they represent his own natural power.
The thing is, there are force users who have quotes, confirming them to be above Sidious, regardless of Sidious unmatched showing, so it's safe to assume that those confirmed superior characters are capable of producing more power. Hell, it's implied that both the son and daughter have the power to destroy the universe if released from Mortis. In Luke's case, he is a light sider, so naturally he wouldn't unleash such destructive energy, just as we'd never see Yoda unleashing energy as potent as ROTS Sidious, but we know he matches Sidious in power. Luke has feats that exceed Sidious's in certain areas, and we have showings from him that indicate he has the power to produce more destructive attacks than Sidious. Vitiate has absolutely nothing to suggest he rivals Sidious in power, so his hype and quotes are irrelevant compared to someone greater than him.
I just want to see a case made for Vitiate. How is he underrated?
Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
I just want to see a case made for Vitiate. How is he underrated?
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Btw, the case of Vitiates superiority over Sidious is because he its embarrassingly superior to a Yoda tier Force user and the Dread Master collective.
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
The Dread Master's are capable of mentally tormenting the entire galaxy: "... the Dread Masters plot to torment the galaxy from their ancient fortress compound."
The Dread Master's dominated a Force-sensitive to insanity who had previously "passed all the psych tests, resisted every mind-altering device and chemical they could find."
The Dread Master's effects are irreparable, even on the highest of prestige: "... minds have been irreparably dominated by the power of the Dread Masters."
The Dread Master's have complete loyalty over their minions, rendering them insane: "Dread Masters have rendered their followers both completely loyal and incurably, paranoically insane."
The Dread Master's continue artifacts beyond Reublic and Imperial understanding: "... a collection of powerful and ancient technologies that lie well outside of our scientific understanding."
The Dread Master's are capable of "inducing widespread terror, paranoia, and hallucinations" on entire planets and Republic fleets, which will be mentioned again later.
The Dread Master's are one of the most powerful threats the Hero of Tython, Darth Nox and the Emperor's Wrath ever faced: "... one of the greatest challenges anyone in our order has faced."
The Dread Master's corruption abilities are so great that they were able to "affect" Oricon, a previously unknown moon, to where it was "immeasurably strong with the dark side."
The Dread Master's power is so great that during their final confrontation in the galaxy, they were regarded as ultimately "the galaxy’s greatest threat."
The Dread Master's have "studied the power of the Phobis devices, artifacts that have driven even the most depraved Sith mad with terror" to complete mastery.
The Dread Master's destroyed "entire Republic fleets during the Great War" and caused dozens of Republic warships to have gone missing" out of the fear and terror.
The Dread Master's have a "immense strength in the Force" and "incredible, unprecedented power over the dark side of the Force" even in the midst of combat situations.
The Dread Master's farsight abilities "of what might come to pass spared the Sith Empire from slave rebellions, Republic ambushes and internal disruptions many times over"
The Dread Master's were capable of compelling "a trio of hardened Republic soldiers to end their own lives by simply talking to them" even while locked in an ancient prison.