Originally posted by DarthAnt66
I find it rather funny that, atm, Vader has superior TK feats then Sidious in canon lore. Nice feats. 👆
He's not the first
Savage and Maul accomplish similar with the star ships they TKed in TCW
That said, everyone collectively gets shit on by some padawans as far as the best showings in Disney Canon goes :maybe
Originally posted by ares834
Lol
Are you laughing at the fact that Padawans seem to get the best feats?
Or are you somehow trying to imply what Vader, Maul, or Savage did was actually more impressive than reducing a large ice cliff to sparse rubble and TKing a rock formation about as tall, if not taller than, an AT-AT? :hmm
If the former, yeah, it's stupid, but powerscaling exists to correct that
If the latter, you're more than free to actually try explaining why they're actually not inferior feats :maybe
You'll be doing the equivalent of verbally flailing around desperately, but you're certainly free to try
@Emperordmb - Energy is energy
The fact they need a collective to do the feats just stresses the fact they don't possess the energy alone
To assert your opinion as valid?
You're going to need to fork over quotes suggesting that either the rock/ice is magically inclined to move without any further input than a force user targeting it or that force users combined magically get a resonance that leads to exponentially more powerful displays of force power.
Neither of which are something I'm privy to actually existing
Originally posted by Emperordmb
I'm not convinced the entrances to these Jedi locations are opened by a feat of strength.They seem designed to be opened by a group of Jedi, particularly the Temple on Lothal that could "only be opened by a master and a padawan" or something.
👆
I'm guessing he didn't actually watch the episode and instead just screamed "feat!"
Originally posted by ChaosTheory123
Or are you somehow trying to imply what Vader, Maul, or Savage did was actually more impressive than reducing a large ice cliff to sparse rubble and TKing a rock formation about as tall, if not taller than, an AT-AT? :hmm
Except, they didn't crush ice we here the so called "ice" sliding into place to reveal the entrance as if *gasp* it's a mechanism! That would also explain how Yoda got in despite the entrance being completely covered. Yay logic!
And the second swivels upward rather than being lifted and requires the effort of two Jedi (a single is insufficient) which once again *gasp* suggest a mechanism to open the hidden Jedi temple!
Originally posted by ChaosTheory123
@Emperordmb - Energy is energyThe fact they need a collective to do the feats just stresses the fact they don't possess the energy alone
To assert your opinion as valid?
You're going to need to fork over quotes suggesting that either the rock/ice is magically inclined to move without any further input than a force user targeting it or that force users combined magically get a resonance that leads to exponentially more powerful displays of force power.
Neither of which are something I'm privy to actually existing
Or the fact that those entrances were basically designed to be opened by the force.
Or the fact that if it's such an impressive display, any group of younglings or a master apprentice duo who just weren't as strong would just be completely rejected?
I know the video isn't high quality, but you can clearly see the chunks of ice being reduced to not even sparse chunks of ice.
Couldn't tell you how Yoda got in, but it wasn't through opening the passage in that manner, there was no ice left to replace it when the Padawans did it and all.
Unless it just froze back of that fast :hmm
So the temple's on a track and can't be lifted straight up. The path it follows up holds no actual relevance to the mechanism by which it opens. It also falls back down again once Ezra lost focus, indicating his energy as well as Kanan's were required to keep it aloft.
Now, give me either quotes suggesting exponential resonance from energy or give me a quote that suggests the terrain does all the work for them.
So
Here's what we have
Prove that a collection of force users gain an exponential boost together
Or that the terrain is doing the work for them.
I'm waiting
In the meantime?
Originally posted by Emperordmb
How about Kanan saying only a master and an apprentice could open it together? That seems to be an odd pairing of words. Why not say more than one force user, or a force user strong enough?
This is some temple for trials
Not really that surprising he's speaking in that fashion to me, seeing as what other reason does one have to come to the place without being master and pupil?
Or the fact that those entrances were basically designed to be opened by the force.
You're not actually saying anything here that contradicts my interpretation or hinders me.
Or the fact that if it's such an impressive display, any group of younglings or a master apprentice duo who just weren't as strong would just be completely rejected?
Yeah, if they're not strong enough to lift the rock or break the ice, they're not getting in
Where exactly are you going with this? :hmm
Originally posted by ares834
I just watched in on Netflix... They sure as hell aren't crushing ice.
I can fetch you screen shots, frame by frame it, and show you why you're wrong if you like :maybe
As as DMB already mentioned, the temple on Lothal requires two to open and to keep open. A single Jedi is insufficient which would suggest a hidden mechanism activated by two Jedi using the force.
Through psychometry he gleaned that in the past the temple was opened through 2, master and apprentice. Unless the rock has a conscious thought process now, this interpretation is only how Ezra saw it and how he fed it back to Kanan.
Doesn't actually imply some hidden mechanism.
Originally posted by ares834
We know Kanan isn't lying because we see the dead bodies of the Jedi whose padawans failed... LolThe temple requires two to open not one.
Kanan also mentions they waited their in hopes their padawans would return
Or did you not actually watch the episode
They never made an effort to escape