Prep War! John Constantine Vs Dr. Doom

Originally posted by VastoLord1234
Constantine #10

http://i.imgur.com/KFyi808.jpg

Current Constantine (DCnU), if he wanted to, ccould trap the spectre, how powerful is DCnU spectre?

Phantom Stranger #5

http://i.imgur.com/HfvpOz6.jpg

Creation level powerful.

Not to put a dampener on things but this shows that John "THINKS" he can come back from being torn apart (and apparently not completely- at least missing an appendage or two)

It also doesn't show that Spectre is "creation level powerful" it shows that he and Phantom Stranger TOGETHER "might" be

Love Constantine to death, but Context is context.

Originally posted by beatboks
Not to put a dampener on things but this shows that John "THINKS" he can come back from being torn apart (and apparently not completely- at least missing an appendage or two)

It also doesn't show that Spectre is "creation level powerful" it shows that he and Phantom Stranger TOGETHER "might" be

Love Constantine to death, but Context is context.

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If there's one thing John's fans should know, he has a very high opinion of himself. And he is well known for judging things badly....especially when it comes to super powerful creatures.

Originally posted by Reflassshh
Isn't the respect thread only about Hellblazer's John?

Anyway, Doom wins... Though not easily by any stretch.

Constantine all day every day and for lunch.

But for real. Doom wins

Originally posted by Galan007
Anyway, Doom wins... Though not easily by any stretch.

I'm surprised to hear you say this. But cool!

I love John, but I still have to give credit where credit is due--and frankly, it'd be hard for any mage in comics to outright beat Doom... Let alone a prepped Doom.

Where haxx-factor is concerned, Doom is a well-established 10/10. Constantine is around a 9-9.5/10.

John in both

Originally posted by Galan007
I love John, but I still have to give credit where credit is due--and frankly, it'd be hard for any mage in comics to outright beat Doom... Let alone a prepped Doom.

Where haxx-factor is concerned, Doom is a well-established 10/10. Constantine is around a 9-9.5/10.

Suppose so. The different versions of DC characters likely hurt them a bit. If it were DCnU plus Vertigo, there might be more of a case to be made.

I guess I just always sort of considered John to be the top magical prep guy. Reed and the Doctor occupy that spot for me on tech. But Doom is a mix of the two, and arguably just as haxx at either, so I can see the logic.

There's another variable for guys like Batman. In a pure feat war, Bats loses to any of these guys. But there's an aspect of prep that involves not just raw potential but cleverness...thinking of what your opponent won't. Tactical prep, maybe, if we need a term for it. All preppers have it to an extent, but it's Batman's thing. It's why people still cling to Batman being the be-all of prep, even when his feats don't quite match up with many others. And I don't know that they're wrong. It hurts him in forum fights, but not in comics as much.

Sorry for the tangent. Just got me thinking about this stuff.

Originally posted by beatboks
Not to put a dampener on things but this shows that John "THINKS" he can come back from being torn apart (and apparently not completely- at least missing an appendage or two)

It also doesn't show that Spectre is "creation level powerful" it shows that he and Phantom Stranger TOGETHER "might" be

Love Constantine to death, but Context is context.

Considering nU John took out the JLD, pulled PS through two points in reality, stormed straight into the HoM after zatanna got it, and also chained (momentarily) the trinity of sin? DCnU john is many things, but brag-full? thats one thing he's not, he's proven what he's capable of.

Also regarding PS and the spectre, while its true combined they are creation level, the presence is talking about, what if they fought no hold bars, they would destroy creation, even if you equate half of their powers or half of creation, they'd still be massively multiversal singly.

Love this thread. It's close.

Vertigo John was clever enough to outsmart the Presence himself a few times. Even DCNU John was able to harm the Blight, possibly kill him with a spell. A being that had to be handled by the Presence, ultimately.

Personally, I can see either winning here.

Originally posted by Golgo13
Doom is about to get messed up, then.

It's totally fine if he does,Doom has survived his heart being turned to stone and his blood being turned to acid. Not seeing what Constantine will do to put him down.

The prep fight is a joke, Doom effortlessly stops Constantine. As for magic, well, see the "can survive heart getitng turned to stone and acid to blood" thing. He can also bust out the crimson bands, etc.

Doom easy win.

Originally posted by Galan007
Anyway, Doom wins... Though not easily by any stretch.

...seriously? I'm going to assume, for the sake of my sanity, that you did not see the 2nd option that was a prep fight and you just saw the "who has better magic" part, because if you'd seen the prep fight and still come with "Doom wins, but not easily" then..there is a big problem.

Before anyone brings up John tricking powerful beings, I don't care, it's irrelevant. It will never get to a point where John tricks Doom because he will not give him the chance. He won't stop to parley with him or anything.

John wins. Doom is overrated as phuck.

Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
John wins. Doom is overrated as phuck.

There is a special kind of irony here. You saying Doom is overrated, and then going on to say John wins, which is..you overrating John.

Originally posted by Surtur
There is a special kind of irony here. You saying Doom is overrated, and then going on to say John wins, which is..you overrating John.

So I can only conclude you, for strange magical reasons known only to yourself, feel it's okay to overrate Constantine, but not Doom.

John never had such humiliating defeats like Doom. Also I never said it is a stomp or that it is easy. I give credit where credit is due but this Doom beats all nonsense on this board is just silly.

Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
John never had such humiliating defeats like Doom. Also I never said it is a stomp or that it is easy. I give credit where credit is due but this Doom beats all nonsense on this board is just silly.

Okay, so because Doom had humiliating feats in the 50+ years he has been around, that negates all the stuff he has done with prep? It negates his time travel tech, sorcery, etc.?

If this is the Doom who lost to Squirrel Girl you are right Constantine wins. If it's the Doom who has an intellect on par with Reed Richards and on top of that is a mage of such power he was considered for Sorcerer Supreme after Strange? It's an easy win for Doom.

EDIT: Also Doom doesn't just beat everyone, but when it comes to prep you need to be damn good, and I do not mean damn good in the sense of "trick powerful beings".

Hellblazer John wins pretty easily. DCNU would probably lose but barely until he gets more feats.

Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
John wins. Doom is overrated as phuck.

I was starting to think that about doom....