real world for me. don't care if it's crap. it's real.
i don't want to live in a dream world
i don't want some machine scraping my poop from my butt.
i don't want some machine taking semen samples to impregnate someone whom i care deeply for.
i don't want to survive off of eating dead people.
i don't want to be living a fake life.
No rational person should want to be in the Matrix. Rational people should value relevant, objective facts they do NOT know about as well as those that they do- though of course you would only value them in principle, because you wouldn't know about them specifically (else it would be a fact you DID know, of course). And in fact people act like that every day. Nothing simpler to demonstrate that than an unfaithful partner. Given the choice of not knowing about an unfaithful partner and living happily in ignorance, or knowing the truth, most people would want to know the truth.
And this is because people value their partner ACTUALLY being loyal, and do not only value if they KNOW the partner is loyal or not. And once you accept that people value ACTUAL facts and not just KNOWN facts, the whole concept of wanting to be in the Matrix is far less attractive.
The Matrix is deceit. A life made happy by deceit is not a life most people would choose if they could. And hence people like Cypher are rare, despite the obvious benefits of living in the modern world rather than stuck in a hopeless-seeming war.
And besides all that, life in the Matrix is at the whim of the machines. They will kill you at will and there is nothing to be done about it. It is also at the whim of the One; I don't want to die alongside the whole human race just because Neo fell in love. And if the machines find an alternative energy source to humans? Bye bye, life! My punishment for abandoning my freedom and taking the easy option of ignorant slavery.
Damn Ush, marital problems?,lol, (No OFFENSE INTENDED)Since i strated the post let me elaborate on your post, sometimes when people cheat on their partners is not because they do NOT love their partner, it could be just because of physical attraction or in a guys case because they simply want the girl and want some of her, does that mean they dont love their partner, no, it means they want to try something different(ill get to my Matix point soon) so lets say a girls meets a guy shes really attracted to but has a husband/boyfriend that treats her like a queen and one day the opportunity presents itself and she takes it and starts messing around with the guy and they keep at it for weeks/months but they both know its just a fling no feelings involved and every day she comes home keeps treating her husband/boyfriend the same way, no change whatsoever and then after the passion its gone for the other person fades away shes left with a choice, 1-Tell her husband/boyfriend knowing that there were no feelings involved, that she still loves him the same way as when they got married knowing that it will ruin or end their relationship forever? or 2- Never tell him anything because what he doesnt know wont kill him and everything is gonna stay the same as in a fairy tale?Matrix point finally, i dont think the machines would ever find another source of energy since thats the 6th matrix and thats been going on for a century/centuries and machines that sophisticated dont take long to adapt so they should have found another source already and they wont kill you i think 1-until u run ur life span 2- until u get out of the Matrix itself but my point is lets say that in after Revolutions the Agents and Neo & Company kill each other and some humans get the choice either to go a wasteland(real world) or keep living their lifes like nothing happened(Matrix) would u rather go to the real world where theres no atmosphere(i think) no way of growing food i didnt saw any in Reloaded), knowing thats all u have to live for or while disgusting u stay inside the Matrix and our bodies are sustained by the proteins lets say of the dead, we wont know because we in the Matrix and while yes the Matrix is make believe right now some people live fake lives, when sometimes they know their partners are cheating on them and because they love them so much or are obsessed with that person they wont say anythin pretending everything is ok when the truth is, theyre not! While i understand your point completly i dont think that makes me IRRATIONAL, if you were to tell me or had any assurance that when i get out of the Matrix the machines didnt messed up the real world so bad that someday the eco-system is gonna go back like it was but we dont know and we know is that the world is a wasteland not worthy of living in it, I choose the Matrix without Agents or Whoa Neo!
Your point about love and relationships seems irrelevant... and studies have shown that most people would rather know the truth than live in happy deceit. It is an established psychological fact that people value ACTUAL truths as well as just the ones they know about. So it does not matter what you do not know about, from an objective point of view you would rather know the truth so to accept the lie is to deny your true wants.
It is all very well to say the Machines will never find another source of energy but the future is a big place and the Architect has said that they ARE willing to live without humans if need be. Agents randomly kill you whenever it suits you- they have no respect for you life and every cycle therer is a risk that the whole Matrix will crash and kill you all. By being in the Matrix you surrender most of the control of your life.
However, as to the rest, yes, there IS a point where living in the Matrix might become more desirable than the real world. To extend my own example further, yes, you would want to know about the deceit of your partner. But would you want to know if knowing would also mean he/she would get a bullet through the head from the man/woman he/she cheated with? In that case most rational people would chose ignorance- they would not be happy with that Hobson's choice but they would take it (in an abstract sense, of course).
But whilst there is hope for human victory and- and here I assume- hope for rebuilding human civilisation (because of Zion can thrive, then so can civilisation) then I think the world in the Matrix films is way short of that point.
And certainly it should always be clear that anyone choosing to live in the Matrix wiould only ever do it because it is less bad, not because it is actually good.