One downside of living in the Matrix is once the Matrix is gone there will be no physical evidence of people's contrbution to society or the world, just a bunch of glass eggs. Is that all you wan't to leave behind?
But the Matrix can't make anyone's life unhappy due to the fact it's not real (unless your that less than 1% of people who reject it). So if the real world sux you can live a perfectly happy life in the Matrix.
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hehe...i think the agents pulled the plug on poor jimbo there.
anyways, here's another valid point that most people WOULD want to leave the matrix. How many people within the movies do they ever talk about that took the blue pill? The answer: none. Thats because most people who are eligible to leave the matrix (those crazy ass one percenters) know that there is something horribly wrong with the world. And as i said before, your question assumes that you know that you ARE living within a computer generated reality. Every single one percenter who realized the truth, took the red pill.
Ignorance isn't bliss. Ignorance is weakness. Ignorance is you being a non-ignorant person's bitch. The non-ignorant person would be the machines in this case.
Maybe you didn't receive the information that you live in a computer generated society.
The "knowledge" (or information) that the world is not real and that you have the means to leave this "fake" world, would be sufficient.
(In fact, Neo was not told much about the specifics of "fake" world that is the Matrix, until after he left it.)
And yes, you would be dependent on the machines... But perhaps you would not know that (you wouldn't know the specifics of the "fakiness" of the world you lived in.)
No one can be told what the Matrix is... Morpheus said something like that...
If everyone was treated like Neo in the first movie (ignoring the incidents with the Agents, only the scenes with Morpheus and the other "good" guys), I think that many people would take the blue pill. Because they did not previously doubt the world, and they would be sceptical of this "other" (real) world they were told about.
I’d get the hell out of the Matrix any chance I could. The Matrix isn’t real. It’s the same as asking, would you turn to live in a VR world if you could. Or in a dream-world? It’s escapism.
The matrix has luxuries. Well, not really, you only think it has.
Ignorance is not bliss. It’s just plain ignorance. To me it boils down to whether or not you can handle the truth or not. Sure, it would be neat to learn kung-fu in 2 hours, after training for two years I still can’t run on walls, dammit. But hey… It’s the path that matters, not the end result. Or… ?
The red pill, any day of the week, given the chance. That doesn’t mean I’m unhappy with my life, but if I found out it was all just an illusion, I’d want to see beyond the illusion. Someone here compared the pills to “do you want to know if your lover is cheating on you or not?”
There is NO escaping the truth. Why else does Cypher in M1 stress that he does not want to remember ANYTHING. Nothing. He knows he can only accept the illusion, as long as he doesn’t know the truth.
It'd seem to be a choice between curiosity (truth) or stability (cling to what you think is "secure", or "established"😉...
I think it depends on what kind of person you are.
If you are forced out of the matrix, it's another thing... Then you know the "real" world. You had no choice but experiencing it... Then you might not want to return to the lie...
But I think some people might not want to know they live in a lie in the first place. They wouldn't want to leave. Either scared of the true/real world, or uninterested (they might have such a good life in the fake world, why risk it?)
Exactly, the same reasoning can be applied in the reverse way...
You think the fake world is in fact true, all your life you have experienced it. Now someone says... Take this pill and you'll live your life in this other reality (which could be the same as put on those VR things indefinitely.)...
The other reality is of course "more real", but it's another reality from the "Matrix inhabitants" points of view.
Swedenborg> Ah, good point. There is no telling that the real world in The Matrix is real. But it MIGHT be the real one. You can’t prove that the Real World is real, but the rebels prove that what Neo thought was a real world is a fake (it has inconsistencies, flaws, people can defy the laws of nature etc.).
I think the assumption of the question in this thread is: Would you take the red pill, if you were in the setting of the Matrix. As in, you’re told this world is not real, and given the chance to see the real.
Originally posted by The Omega
I think the assumption of the question in this thread is: Would you take the red pill, if you were in the setting of the Matrix. As in, you’re told this world is not real, and given the chance to see the real.
*nods* Yes, that would seem to be the scenario.
I think some would take the red pill, and others wouldn't.
I personally would want to leave because i don't like people deciding for me what my life will be. But the fact that the matrix isn't real i have to disagree with. As stated in the movie what is real. How the brain interpurts electrical signals. The matrix is real the only diffrence is that you can't always choose your path.
It's not real because the events you are experiencing are not objectively true, regardless of how your brain works. Such objective truth is beyond relative experience and the fact simply remains that whilst in the Matrix what is objectively true is that you are actually a naked being in a pod. In the real world, what is objectively true is the same as what you are experiencing. There is value in that, as I described earlier.
i would definitley take the red pill-cos at the time your eally dont knwo what you are getting into. if i were there i think i would also like to be sort of 'in the know' like trinity and morpheus and everyone- they know what they are doing and everything and i would reather be like that than live in a world where a) something is wrong and b) people do kickass things and i cant.
Yes, I think Ushgarak describes it very adequately. The Matrix is NOT real. What is real or not, what is true or not, should not depend on my perception or anyone elses for that matter.
Although, I wouldn’t take the red pill, just because “at the time you really don’t know what you’re getting into” and because some people could do kick-ass things that I couldn’t. I would, though, if I stumbled upon a consistent inconsistency in this world, and was offered a chance to see what might be the real truth. If some guy came up to me, with two pills, I’d probably, after seeing the movies, think that he had, too, and a few times to many.
It isn’t, to me at least, a question of whether or not I’d want to be IN a matrix-movie kind of thing, which, btw, is NOT real either. It’s whether or not you’d want to know the truth, and had the guts to take the equivalent of the red pill, NOT knowing what would then happen.
I can see what Ush means. And it is true you are really naked in a pod. But you also have to think. Truth and reality are realative. In fact everything is realtive and based off circumstance. If two people witnessed an accident there TRUTHS could be diffrent because of diffrent information they recieved in their brain.
In this case both people would agree that an accident had happened but they could disagree on details. And in that sense their would be two TRUTHS or REALITIES. Each is valid to its owner.
So what im getting at is that to the people plugged into the matrix it is as real as can be. I have a question though what makes something real. Any answers are welcome. It would help the people think of rather they would leave.
No, truth is NOT relative. Truth is objective. Perception is relative but perception is not necessarily true. If two people see an accident differently it does not matter what they believe- the objective truth is that only one thing happened.
Reality, likewise, is objective. Only one thing is REALLY real. Any 'personal' reality that differs from this is, in fact, deception.
And I will say this again, all we know about human behaviour is that people value this kind of truth. Please re-read the thread to see what I said about all that.
I get the whole people want to know the truth thing.
I guess im having trouble telling what is real or truth. Or how to even tell. Since we have know direct way of telling it sort of leaves it up to the audience. How inlife do we know if something is real or true. ( this is a serious question not philosophical or sarcastic)