Batman vs Daredevil - H2H · Comic Book 'Versus' Forum

carver9 Senior Member

Originally posted by Werewolf582
Can you not keep up? I used the spectre scan to show combat feats doesn't put you on the high level.

What you fail to understand is the context with the Spectre ft. Please read the comic. It's not even a valid ft for Batman.

Werewolf582 Senior Member

Originally posted by Silent Master
So for a thread about a HTH fight, you want feats of things like bullets and blasts rather than those that showcase fighting skill and ability?

The are both near equal in combat, so its moot to keep bringing it up. It'll come down to who is more physically fit.

cdtm Restricted

In pure h2h, I'm not seeing how Batman could win.

Mainly because things like feints, or slipping something past him, just won't work thanks to the radar vision and ability to sense heart rates and such... Matt's going to be able to read Bruce like a book.

Silent Master Senior Member

Originally posted by Werewolf582
The are both near equal in combat, so its moot to keep bringing it up. It'll come down to who is more physically fit.

So bringing up fighting ability and skill in a thread about HTH is bad, Yet bringing up bullets and blasts, two things that have zero to do with a hth fight is good?

carver9 Senior Member

Anyways, DD vs Psylocke.

She had to trick him to gain an advantage and even admits that she can't beat him H2H. Do I need to post what Psylocke is capable of?

Werewolf582 Senior Member

Originally posted by carver9
What you fail to understand is the context with the Spectre ft. Please read the comic. It's not even a valid ft for Batman.

So the ultron feat is? Never knew DD was planet level, I know its not valid but you keep showing Dardedevil fighting all these people when

1. He's beaten by less
2. Is outclassed against them yet still somehow keeps up
3. Batman has also taken on big names over the years, that does NOT mean he is on thier level.

carver9 Senior Member

Originally posted by cdtm
In pure h2h, I'm not seeing how Batman could win.
Mainly because things like feints, or slipping something past him, just won't work thanks to the radar vision and ability to sense heart rates and such... Matt's going to be able to read Bruce like a book.

👆

carver9 Senior Member

Originally posted by Werewolf582
So the ultron feat is? Never knew DD was planet level, I know its not valid but you keep showing Dardedevil fighting all these people when
1. He's beaten by less
2. Is outclassed against them yet still somehow keeps up
3. Batman has also taken on big names over the years, that does NOT mean he is on thier level.

I never used the Ultron ft and the person who did was obviously playing.

I don't think you are grasping the consistency here. DD consistently does well against high tier martial artist.

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Originally posted by Werewolf582
Can you not keep up? I used the spectre scan to show combat feats doesn't put you on the high level.

I use the Ultron fight to show how robots aren't all that.

Anyway. Stamina feat. Batman fought guys for 28 hours straight in the cold. At the end, he was half dead.

Here, Daredevil fights 107 (count em....ONE HUNDRED AND SEVEN) guys, and defeats them all, in 3 minutes. They were armed with swords, bats and guns. Some of them weren't even human, but were hopped up on MGH.

107.

http://imgur.com/a/dTGLO

The deathmatch that Bruce fought added one man every hour. So at any one time, the most he was fighting was....28. Human level fighters. Who nearly beat him to death. And didn't have the luxury of bladed weapons or guns.

Werewolf582 Senior Member

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Yes, but...ah, you've missed the point of the quote lol.
Stamina is great - do you REALLY think the fight will be going on for 28 hours? 24? 15? 8? Even if it goes on for FIVE hours, constantly....that's already pretty hardcore, do you think these two are that evenly matched?
No.
The fight is going to go on for a good few minutes, and will be ended inside of an hour, at the level these two go at.
Haha. I guess you didn't see the bit about the Spectre then.
Doesn't say anything about armour. I DELIBERATELY said weapons. As a Bat-fan, surely you know Batman has weaponised his suit? That it has tasers built in, gas delivery systems built into the cowl etc? You DO know that his suit itself is a weapon, right?

My bad for missing the point.

You seemed to miss the whole point of stamina. The deciding factor in fights is who can last longer and stay at a higher level for a much longer time. They are roughly equal in skill while Batman has the physical advantage.

I know thier os context, but even with it Batman should have done nothing at all.

Okay take off the armor, still holds the physical advantage.

Reflassshh Devil On Your Shoulder

Originally posted by Werewolf582
Karate kid.

I know what story you're referring to. It was preboot.

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Confirmation of the numbers, the weaponry, and that half were more than human:

Werewolf582 Senior Member

Originally posted by Silent Master
So bringing up fighting ability and skill in a thread about HTH is bad, Yet bringing up bullets and blasts, two things that have zero to do with a hth fight is good?

So physical stats have nothing to do with H2H? Sure, that makes sense. And you completely missed the point in my post.

Werewolf582 Senior Member

Originally posted by carver9
Anyways, DD vs Psylocke.
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She had to trick him to gain an advantage and even admits that she can't beat him H2H. Do I need to post what Psylocke is capable of?

Cool, yet another feat where DD is almost outclassed in every aspect. He's better at H2H? That's nice, he still should have got stomped.

Silent Master Senior Member

Originally posted by Werewolf582
So physical stats have nothing to do with H2H? Sure, that makes sense. And you completely missed the point in my post.

His armor being bullet resistant isn't a physical stat.

carver9 Senior Member

So you want physical fts? Gotcha.

Here is agility.

Speed. He knocks a bullet out of the air.

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/2/20066/943164-daredevil335p157zw.jpg

Slaps another bullet out of the air.

By the way, he did beat the Punisher. Punisher even admits he didn't stand a chance against DD h2h. Hell, he couldn't even hit DD with any bullets and he's a markmans.

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Everyone tends to comment on DD speed. Even the best of them. More on the way.

carver9 Senior Member

Originally posted by Werewolf582
Cool, yet another feat where DD is almost outclassed in every aspect. He's better at H2H? That's nice, he still should have got stomped.

So you are dismissing everything DD has done?

DarkSaint85 Bonified abstract

Originally posted by Werewolf582
My bad for missing the point.
You seemed to miss the whole point of stamina. The deciding factor in fights is who can last longer and stay at a higher level for a much longer time. They are roughly equal in skill while Batman has the physical advantage.
I know thier os context, but even with it Batman should have done nothing at all.
Okay take off the armor, still holds the physical advantage.

Stamina is great, IF your fight is going to last that long. DD has lasted before in fights - admittedly, not 28 hours, but my point was that the fight will never even last that long. DD did what Batman needed 28 hours to do, and did it faster, against stronger, more dangerous opponents.

You can pit a marathon runner up against Tyson in his prime - sure, the marathon runner could outlast him in cardio, but a punch to the face is still a punch to the face.

carver9 Senior Member

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
I use the Ultron fight to show how robots aren't all that.
Anyway. Stamina feat. Batman fought guys for 28 hours straight in the cold. At the end, he was half dead.
Here, Daredevil fights 107 (count em....ONE HUNDRED AND SEVEN) guys, and defeats them all, in 3 minutes. They were armed with swords, bats and guns. Some of them weren't even human, but were hopped up on MGH.
107.
http://imgur.com/a/dTGLO
The deathmatch that Bruce fought added one man every hour. So at any one time, the most he was fighting was....28. Human level fighters. Who nearly beat him to death. And didn't have the luxury of bladed weapons or guns.

👆

Crazy ft. I was going to post that. Seen you beat me to it.

Werewolf582 Senior Member

Originally posted by Silent Master
His armor being bullet resistant isn't a physical stat.

Point blank building busting blast.