Spider Man vs Capt America and Bruce Lee

Originally posted by Psychotron
I still don't think Bruce Lee can put down Rogers, he survived a laser shot right in the chest. And then there's Spider-man.

Funny that you mention Chuck Norris, because I remember an interview about Bruce where the interviewer asked Chuck if the two of them ever sparred, and Chuck replies that they never did because both of them knew there'd be no point. Chuck was a 7 time karate world champion and Bruce was an actor.

Post some of these fights with real fighters then. The one punch technique is useless in a fight and has done by other people. MMA is as close to a real fight as you can get and far more practical than any eastern martial art. Put him in a fight against someone like Anderson da Silva and Bruce would be DOA. I'm not even going to talk about what happens if you put him against some heavyweight like Alistair Overeem.

Info on Bruce is really not that hard to find. But here are some two videos and an article with quotes from Chuck Norris:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mcl81ldNODc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=clvwjorFUPA
http://www.blackbeltmag.com/daily/martial-arts-entertainment/martial-art-movies/chuck-norris-vs-bruce-lee

Chuck uses the word workouts in the video and in the article sparring. Lets just say it was a combination.

As for your other requested info its on the internet. Bruce was not just an actor he was a recognize Marital Artist Master. You trying to down play him is starting to sound like trolling.

Cap can tank punches from Loki and Winter Soldier, how is Bruce Lee gonna put him down?

Originally posted by BruceSkywalker
bruce lee stomps the living daylights out of Spidey while Cap just sits and drinks latte's ...

😆 😆 🤣 😂

Originally posted by Kotor3
Info on Bruce is really not that hard to find. But here are some two videos and an article with quotes from Chuck Norris:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mcl81ldNODc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=clvwjorFUPA
http://www.blackbeltmag.com/daily/martial-arts-entertainment/martial-art-movies/chuck-norris-vs-bruce-lee

Chuck uses the word workouts in the video and in the article sparring. Lets just say it was a combination.

As for your other requested info its on the internet. Bruce was not just an actor he was a recognize Marital Artist Master. You trying to down play him is starting to sound like trolling.

"Did you ever fight each other?"
"No, I was a professional fighter"
That says it all. There's no doubt that Bruce was skilled, but you can't call him the best if he's never actually proved himself against someone else. And I'm not talking about anectodal stories, I mean real fights against credible opponets. You don't have to be a good fighter to be a good martial artist, anyway. They're two different things.

Originally posted by Psychotron
"Did you ever fight each other?"
"No, I was a professional fighter"
That says it all. There's no doubt that Bruce was skilled, but you can't call him the best if he's never actually proved himself against someone else. And I'm not talking about anectodal stories, I mean real fights against credible opponets. You don't have to be a good fighter to be a good martial artist, anyway. They're two different things.

Chuck did state he did not know if he could win or beat Bruce and stated that he felt both of them would do well in the current MMA fighting. He always praise Bruce fighting abilities. Nothing but respect.

When the UFC first started it was termed a spectacle not a sport. Anything was allowed except for biting and poking of the eyes. There was no weight class either. Only due to extreme criticism did it become termed a sport that included rules and weight class.

So there is a difference between fights as a sport and a real fight for survival. Either way, as to whether Bruce is the best or not is not the point. He most definitely could hang with the best which is clear by the comments of Chuck and others who knew him.

Originally posted by Kotor3
By the selected quotes you chose to use it is clear that you are not changing your opinion.

Chuck did state he did not know if he could win or beat Bruce and stated that he felt both of them would do well in the current MMA fighting. He always praise Bruce fighting abilities. Nothing but respect.

When the UFC first started it was termed a spectacle not a sport. Anything was allowed except for biting and poking of the eyes. There was no weight class either. Only due to extreme criticism did it become termed a sport that included rules and weight class.

So there is a difference between fights as a sport and a real fight for survival. Either way, as to whether Bruce is the best or not is not the point. He most definitely could hang with the best which is clear by the comments of Chuck and others who knew him.

Chuck was just being diplomatic, he knew Bruce is an icon, and the two of them were friends. So of course he'd say he doesn't know who'd win.

Just because Chuck says or thinks they'd do well doesn't mean they will.

You don't need to tell me that, I've been in enough street fights and I've done kickboxing. I know the difference, and MMA is the closest thing to real life fights there is. Btw, UFC is not the only form of MMA. Also, plenty of trained army guys have tried their luck, even Navy SEALs, and they don't get far usually. The military trains people for combat, not just H2H, so they don't specialize as much as fighters.

Originally posted by Psychotron
Chuck was just being diplomatic, he knew Bruce is an icon, and the two of them were friends. So of course he'd say he doesn't know who'd win.

Just because Chuck says or thinks they'd do well doesn't mean they will.

You don't need to tell me that, I've been in enough street fights and I've done kickboxing. I know the difference, and MMA is the closest thing to real life fights there is. Btw, UFC is not the only form of MMA. Also, plenty of trained army guys have tried their luck, even Navy SEALs, and they don't get far usually. The military trains people for combat, not just H2H, so they don't specialize as much as fighters.

I agree with this point that MMA is an ultimate measuring gauge for a person agility in a fair balance fight.

FYI
I've been in plenty of street fights also and took up wrestling. I feel there is a difference between sports fighting and survival fighting.

I believe Bruce would do well in MMA fighting today.

People who think fighting sports are not applicable in the streets either does not know anything about these fighting arts or is just completely stupid. There's a reason why boxers make some of the most dangerous street fighters around. And though the UFC and boxing and Muay Thai and others are now termed fighting sports, that doesn't change the fact that they are legitimate martial arts.

Beuce Lee has never had a public, documented fight against a skilled opponent. So there is no reason for us to believe he's a skilled fighter since he has yet to prove it. He is a very skilled martial artist.... doesn't mean he's a skilled fighter.

Bruce Lee solos and then proceeds to smash Cap's skull in.

What a pathetic troll attempt that is.

Originally posted by Star428
What a pathetic troll attempt that is.

Bruce Lee > Chuck Norris > omnipotent beings

Proof right there.

Originally posted by FrothByte
People who think fighting sports are not applicable in the streets either does not know anything about these fighting arts or is just completely stupid. There's a reason why boxers make some of the most dangerous street fighters around. And though the UFC and boxing and Muay Thai and others are now termed fighting sports, that doesn't change the fact that they are legitimate martial arts.

Beuce Lee has never had a public, documented fight against a skilled opponent. So there is no reason for us to believe he's a skilled fighter since he has yet to prove it. He is a very skilled martial artist.... doesn't mean he's a skilled fighter.

I really wasn't going to say anything but to many incorrect statements. Anyone who took up an art of fighting, Boxing, wrestling, martial arts, knows no matter the philosophy associated with the art is it is just that an art of fighting.

A skilled martial artist does not translate to a skilled philosopher it translates to a skilled fighter. The same for a boxer or wrestler. How they measure up to other skilled fighters is to be seen. How does Bruce match up to other skilled fighters we can speculate like we do with other fighters. But saying he is not a skilled fighter is ridiculous.

Oh, and boxers (i have fought people in street fights who took up boxing) who fight the same way they do in the ring in a street fight will not last too long against a person with grappling skills.

Bruce kills spidey captain kills Bruce

Originally posted by Kotor3
Ok, well we are not going to agree. If you use MMA fighting as an ultimate measuring gauge for a person fighting ability, then ok.

I agree with this point that MMA is an ultimate measuring gauge for a person agility in a fair balance fight.

FYI
I've been in plenty of street fights also and took up wrestling. I feel there is a difference between sports fighting and survival fighting.

I believe Bruce would do well in MMA fighting today.

It's not the ultimate gauge, but it is the closest.

There is a difference, of course, but we've never seen Bruce Lee in fighting sports or in street fights, so there's no reason to assume he is that much better than anyone else.

Originally posted by Kotor3
I really wasn't going to say anything but to many incorrect statements. Anyone who took up an art of fighting, Boxing, wrestling, martial arts, knows no matter the philosophy associated with the art is it is just that an art of fighting.

A skilled martial artist does not translate to a skilled philosopher it translates to a skilled fighter. The same for a boxer or wrestler. How they measure up to other skilled fighters is to be seen. How does Bruce match up to other skilled fighters we can speculate like we do with other fighters. But saying he is not a skilled fighter is ridiculous.

Oh, and boxers (i have fought people in street fights who took up boxing) who fight the same way they do in the ring in a street fight will not last too long against a person with grappling skills.

I'm not trying to get into a grappling vs. striking debate. I only mentioned boxers as an example that people who do fighting sports are actually very effective street fighters. That includes boxers, wrestlers, muay thai fighters, etc. (though if you do want to get into it, I have to say that a pure grappler really isn't gonna do great in a street fight either). As it stands in our society today, people who do fight in fighting sports are the most proven fighters (h2h) that we have. There may be other better fighters out there, but it's harder to prove their skill. At least with fighting sports, people there have actually proven themselves.

And no, you're completely incorrect in assuming a skilled martial artist automatically makes a skilled fighter. Some martial artists go through years mastering their martial art without ever having been in a fight. Some martial arts don't even have full sparring. Some people focus on the acrobatic portion of it, some do it for aesthetic or spiritual value.

I never said Bruce Lee wasn't a skilled fighter. What I said was that since we have no proof he was a skilled fighter, then we can't assume he was a skilled fighter simply because he looked good on screen.

Originally posted by Psychotron
It's not the ultimate gauge, but it is the closest.

There is a difference, of course, but we've never seen Bruce Lee in fighting sports or in street fights, so there's no reason to assume he is that much better than anyone else.

With that being said, Bruce Lee may not have been a professional fighter but he is in a sense the first true MMA as his style and philosophy was about mixing different styles and doing whatever you could to win. Many took up this philosophy and fighting style.

So when Chuck stated that he felt Bruce and himself would do well in the current MMA, I believe his statement. Of this is as speculative as if Bruce was a professional during this time and comparing him to fighters of this day. It is all speculative.

Originally posted by FrothByte
I'm not trying to get into a grappling vs. striking debate. I only mentioned boxers as an example that people who do fighting sports are actually very effective street fighters. That includes boxers, wrestlers, muay thai fighters, etc. (though if you do want to get into it, I have to say that a pure grappler really isn't gonna do great in a street fight either). As it stands in our society today, people who do fight in fighting sports are the most proven fighters (h2h) that we have. There may be other better fighters out there, but it's harder to prove their skill. At least with fighting sports, people there have actually proven themselves.

And no, you're completely incorrect in assuming a skilled martial artist automatically makes a skilled fighter. Some martial artists go through years mastering their martial art without ever having been in a fight. Some martial arts don't even have full sparring. Some people focus on the acrobatic portion of it, some do it for aesthetic or spiritual value.

I never said Bruce Lee wasn't a skilled fighter. What I said was that since we have no proof he was a skilled fighter, then we can't assume he was a skilled fighter simply because he looked good on screen.

I think you can by the many supporting comments of his skill that he would be a good if not excellent professional fighter.

Originally posted by Kotor3
Maybe I interpreted your comments incorrectly. I personally feel that MMA is the ultimate gauge for determining who is the most skilled. In a no holds bar fight you cannot really do that since anything goes and when fighting for survival anyone can win.

With that being said, Bruce Lee may not have been a professional fighter but he is in a sense the first true MMA as his style and philosophy was about mixing different styles and doing whatever you could to win. Many took up this philosophy and fighting style.

So when Chuck stated that he felt Bruce and himself would do well in the current MMA, I believe his statement. Of this is as speculative as if Bruce was a professional during this time and comparing him to fighters of this day. It is all speculative.

Sure, ok.