Yeah, I think TI misunderstood OV's point, it wasn't "blacks are horrible people and we should mistrust them", it was "blacks have it harder in integrating because there's social conditioning to distrust them".
Or just watch this video
Originally posted by Robtard
Yeah, I think TI misunderstood OV's point, it wasn't "blacks are horrible people and we should mistrust them", it was "blacks have it harder in integrating because there's social conditioning to distrust them".Or just watch this video
No I understand thats what he said, however its true what he meant. It actually is similar to the mindset of that video clip.
Originally posted by dadudemon
This is mostly true. They were forced into labor conditions that rivaled harsh WWII Jewish Concentration Camps and deaths, while on the job, abounded (conditions that most slave owners would not subject their slaves to because slaves were valuable property). They were systematically denied education, obviously.Black Americans didn't have their culture ripped from them entirely when they were transported to the Americas.
But that was what, 6 years, of enslavement, vs the 244 years endured by blacks?
They kind of did though. True there are blacks who managed to embrace their African roots and/or integrate with white society, but for the most part blacks only know of the inferiority complex imposed in their ancestors. And I don't consider Southern Soul Food cookers and the hip hop craze to be legitimate cultures. Blacks do not really have a single point of prosperity to their name.
Originally posted by Lestov16
So you agree about the social conditioning?
Absolutely. For example when I moved to Mexico last year, everyone was asking what it was like, and wasn't I scared and isn't there a bunch of criminals down there and all these pre conditioned mindset.
After a few months of living there I realized there is less crime there then here, less traffic accidents, and a much more laid back environment. Of coarse, the media outlets like to project it as some violent and crazy place because of "drug wars" however we have bigger drug wars and criminal organizations in America.
Simple fix, don't get mixed up in things you know are wrong and you wont have a problem. But the media paints the place as the wild west, when I found the place to be safer and more freedoms then here.
Lestov forgets that in the 700's BC the Nubians (aka Black people) from the South invaded Egypt in the North and set up a dynasty that lasted almost 3/4's of a century.
#Prosperity
Originally posted by RobtardNah, they were all white.
Lestov forgets that in the 700's BC the Nubians (aka Black people) from the South invaded Egypt in the North and set up a dynasty that lasted almost 3/4's of a century.#Prosperity
Have you never seen a movie about ancient Egypt, my man?
Originally posted by Time ImmemorialOV is an outspoken racist with familial ties to the KKK going all the way back to its creation.
Lol at this place for arguing race still. Who gives a **** anymore.Before this thread, OV had me believing and I am pretty sure everyone else that he was this purist of race and skin color did not matter and thought I was racist. Then he moves into a black neighborhood and the truth comes out and he see's real life for what it is.
Its one thing to talk a game on the internet, its another to live it.
I applaud OV for his honesty..
Originally posted by Robtard
Lestov forgets that in the 700's BC the Nubians (aka Black people) from the South invaded Egypt in the North and set up a dynasty that lasted almost 3/4's of a century.#Prosperity
Black Americans foo, Black Americans.....
And even if I agreed about those Nubians, a lot of that history got kiboshed from African-American minds when their culture got stripped. Sure you can look up those facts easily since it's the 21st century and you have Google, but back when racism and denial of education was prevalent, you really think the majority of blacks of America knew about the accomplishments of their ancestors?
Originally posted by Mindset
Are you saying black on black violent crime exceeds everyone else combined? If so, that's wrong.
No, I would have used the word "combined" had I meant that. I appreciate you asking so that others might not get confused.
I was speaking from memory of this particular table from the FBI and this is what I meant:
Additionally, the data shows it is very close (meaning, black homicides almost add up to all other homicides combined):
6335 for "not black" and 6329 for black. However, those numbers do not include black on "everyone but black" and just "black and black" homicides so it is not quite 50-50 as a superficial reading would lead some to believe.
However, the FBI has that number, as well:
"Of the offenders for whom race was known, 52.4 percent were black, 45.2 percent were white, and 2.4 percent were of other races. The race was unknown for 4,077 offenders."
As far as offenders, yes, black offenders make up more than any other race demographic, combined. I should be honest and state that this was not my original point. But it would have been nice had this been my point because it would make this post much shorter (which would be the only thing nice about our discussion on murder, really).
My original point was blacks (men) kill blacks (men) more than any other race kills any other race. Meaning, whites kill all races x number of times and blacks kill blacks y number of times where y > x. Due to the fact that all other races will make up a negligible amount of all other remaining homicide categories, it is unnecessary for me to continue to break down that point, further.
However, we still do not have the data for the point I was making. We have stuff that is closely related.
But I believe I found it:
But let's analyze my statements exactly as I intended them to see how correct or incorrect the statements are.
First, I said this:
"Black men kill each other more than anyone else..."
This is true. According to table 6, black people killed each other more often, for a total of 2245, than they kill all other races, combined (453). But this still does not perfectly address the point that says "men." To do that, we need to look at the numbers a bit closer (and since it says the white-on-black homicides, total, are 189, it is negligible for this point). It says 2073 of the males killed were black males: more than all other groups combined (1903 vs. 2073). But as far as 'anyone else', that is also true. Black men kill black men more than they kill any other race, by far. So that statement is true. What about my parenthetical statement?
"...and their killing of each other exceeds the deaths of all other races...IIRC..."
In this statement, since I made no qualifiers, "their" = black men. What that statement was supposed to mean is white people don't kill white people as often as black people kill black people, or asians kill asians, and so forth.* But what I meant by that statement was that black men kill more people than any other race (but not combined). That statement is true as we previously discovered. Edit - Go to the bottom and find the asterisk. I found what I was looking for on rates (what the word "often" refers to). So, yeah, I still don't know if it is greater when all other race homicide rates are combined but it seems highly likely that black men killing black men has a much higher rate than all other race demographics (interracial), combined.
We already know that black homicide offenders make more than any other race demographic, combined (except for unknown offenders for which we...well...don't). But what about JUST black males?
I can't figure that out, actually. I'm sure I could extrapolate that information from the given data but I just can't figure it out: it's been a long day at work and my brain is fried. This is a rather simple thing to do, imo, but I'm just staring at the numbers.
Originally posted by Mindset
Criminals usually target the communities they are in or around. Intra-racial crime happens much more than interracial crime, this includes homicides. So if you're white, be afraid of other white people, etc.
Remember my original point, however:
"A black man has more of a legitimate fear of another black man."
My statement was a relative statement. This is due to a per capita issue making it far far less likely that you will be victimized by another white person, if you are white (compared to black on black crime).
This sight, here, talks about the pure percentages (but fails to address a per capita number which is much more telling):
"2010 Bureau of Justice Statistics report which did, indeed, conclude that 93 percent of black homicide victims from 1980 through 2008 were killed by black offenders. The statement implied that intraracial violence in black communities is uniquely bad."
"84 percent of white victims were killed by white offenders."
Ther interacial number shows the following:
"14 percent of white victims were killed by black offenders; and 7.6 percent of black victims were killed by white offenders."
But this article does a good job of presenting an unbiased number that shows why these percentages are useless:
*"The black victimization rate (27.8 per 100,000) was six times higher than the white victimization rate (4.5 per 100,000). Black offending rate (34.4 per 100,000) was almost eight times higher than whites (4.5 per 100,000), according to the report."
In other words, a black person is 6 times more likely to be a murder victim from another black person than a white person from another white person. Six times, not just a small 30% or something. It is ~6.2 times more likely.