Originally posted by Trocity
Abeloth supposedly subdued the Son and Daughter before the Father imprisoned her. She should honestly be pretty far above these guys.
Comparison of potency of beings involved:-
Son versus Jedi
Vitiate versus Jedi
Nihilus versus Traya
Originally posted by Stigma
LeGenD do you argue that the Ones are not more powerful than Vitiate and/or Nihilus?
He doesn't want to say really in matter of "raw power"...
But you have to understand also that the Ones are not Star Wars Gods or the Force itself for that matter,they are just the "supreme" Force users in matter of raw power,but they can die in the end.
Yes,Nihilus will just devour their connection to the Force and eat them. 🙂
Originally posted by Arhael
Sure. Respectfully disagree with your opinion.
Originally posted by Arhael
Nyax is more powerful than them and they don't have Luke's saber prowess to stand a chance against him. They don't even have Mara's and Tahiri's saber skills to somehow survive his onslaught.
Both Vitiate and Nihilus have superior showings with the Force then Nyax. And both can defeat Nyax in an all-out confrontation.
Nyax's skills with a lightsaber are useless against foes such as Vitiate and Nihilus because confrontation with each is unlikely to come down to this moment.
1. The "beings" are the Ones, who Leland Chee has confirmed (the Father, at least, but by extension, it applies to the Ones) are the most powerful. Not only does that override SWTOR-related sources, but SWTOR sources don't even acknowledge the Ones or any beings who appeared after TOR's events.
It is PIS when some mooks manage to last against her in spite of her utterly annihilating similar opponents. It's just character/story-oriented preference.
My proof is in the Abeloth respect thread you can find online - if you don't bother to read it, then don't bother responding.
2. Notable Children or the First Son not being included, nothing implicates the Children or his "pawns" as anything more powerful than the Lost Tribe of the Sith's general members. And as far as I know, their awakening/Vitiate's control over them involves Vitiate tapping into a portion of his power which he sank into them earlier (which the TOR Encyclopedia described as "insidious barbs"😉
3. I don't know what you're talking about. Vitiate is clearly more powerful than Revan and the ancient Sith.
4. Oh, please. It's extremely evident how biased you are when you're supporting TOR characters in every thread, and you literally had to mention Palpatine when you tried to demonstrate how you didn't rank Ven Zallow so highly.
As for proof, keep that respect thread by you. I'll give you additional quote when it's necessary.
5. lol Vitiate taking multiple Voices over entire centuries doesn't show a lack of weakness (to at least a minor extent) if he loses a body. Vitiate's Ziost feat lacks elaboration, and Abeloth has destroyed the Sinkhoel Station which kept multiple black holes in check (and Abeloth seemingly influenced those black holes as well).
6. Not against remarkably powerful beings, of course, but I never claimed she could. I said featless pawns and mooks would be, or her Psychosis would affect them, which you didn't even address.
7. I'm aware of that, and in a straight fight Vitiate would be exhausting all of his powers on Abeloth, not trying to control other beings to fight her. None of those can reach her when she's at full power.
Originally posted by SunRazer
1. The "beings" are the Ones, who Leland Chee has confirmed (the Father, at least, but by extension, it applies to the Ones) are the most powerful. Not only does that override SWTOR-related sources, but SWTOR sources don't even acknowledge the Ones or any beings who appeared after TOR's events.
Disney perceives SWTOR as an alternative universe. According to SWTOR sources, Emperor Vitiate is the most powerful Force-user.
Originally posted by SunRazer
It is PIS when some mooks manage to last against her in spite of her utterly annihilating similar opponents. It's just character/story-oriented preference.My proof is in the Abeloth respect thread you can find online - if you don't bother to read it, then don't bother responding.
Abeloth unleashed "nearly inconceivable amounts of energy" to destroy the City of Glass.
Abeloth does not melts individuals with her mere presence as you claimed, period.
Here is an example of a comparable showing from one of the sorcerers of Vitiate:
Widely regarded as one of the greatest Sith sorcerers in the Empire, the enigmatic Lord Fulminiss is a master of the dark side’s most arcane and lethal aspects. The grotesque Harrower assassins are his most famous creation, but legend has it he once summoned a raging storm of pure Force energy that disintegrated a rebellious city of natives in the Imperial-conquered Jabiim system. Lord Fulminiss is a respected expert on the topic of mass extermination, and at the Emperor’s request, he has performed extensive research into new ways of eliminating planetary populations. More than one Dark Council member has paid handsomely to obtain a record of Lord Fulminiss’s work for his or her private perusal.
Taken from Star Wars: The Old Republic
Originally posted by SunRazer
2. Notable Children or the First Son not being included, nothing implicates the Children or his "pawns" as anything more powerful than the Lost Tribe of the Sith's general members. And as far as I know, their awakening/Vitiate's control over them involves Vitiate tapping into a portion of his power which he sank into them earlier (which the TOR Encyclopedia described as "insidious barbs"😉
As I pointed out, Children of the Emperor are powerful manifestations of Emperor's sorcery and they are stronger then even known individuals of Lost Tribe.
Originally posted by SunRazer
3. I don't know what you're talking about. Vitiate is clearly more powerful than Revan and the ancient Sith.
Originally posted by SunRazer
4. Oh, please. It's extremely evident how biased you are when you're supporting TOR characters in every thread, and you literally had to mention Palpatine when you tried to demonstrate how you didn't rank Ven Zallow so highly.As for proof, keep that respect thread by you. I'll give you additional quote when it's necessary.
I did not mention Palpatine, I mentioned Yoda. As for Ven Zallow, he have impressive feats under his belt. It seems that you are still butthurt over your inability to prove that Sora Bulq was a match for Ven Zallow. I also refuted your nonsense that the prime of PT era (e.g. Mace Windu, Count Dooku, Obi-Wan Kenobi, Anakin Skywalker, Yoda and Palpatine) are superior duelists then ancient legendary lightsaber combatants.
You better drop the habit of posting nonsense instead of accusing me of bias.
Originally posted by SunRazer
5. lol Vitiate taking multiple Voices over entire centuries doesn't show a lack of weakness (to at least a minor extent) if he loses a body. Vitiate's Ziost feat lacks elaboration, and Abeloth has destroyed the Sinkhoel Station which kept multiple black holes in check (and Abeloth seemingly influenced those black holes as well).
For Ziost, play the expansion.
Abeloth may have destroyed the Sinkhole Station but she never influenced a cosmic black hole. She remained (effectively) trapped in the MAW cluster for as long as the Sinkhole Station properly functioned, and this implies that cosmic black holes kept her movements in check.
For comparison
Exal Kressh (apprentice of Vitiate) destroyed Lenico Colony Blue after an assassination attempt on her.
Lenico Colony Blue: http://img4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20100604221859/starwars/images/b/b2/LenicoSystem-BOE.jpg
Originally posted by SunRazer
6. Not against remarkably powerful beings, of course, but I never claimed she could. I said featless pawns and mooks would be, or her Psychosis would affect them, which you didn't even address.
Do the math.
Originally posted by SunRazer
7. I'm aware of that, and in a straight fight Vitiate would be exhausting all of his powers on Abeloth, not trying to control other beings to fight her. None of those can reach her when she's at full power.
300 years ago, the great Jedi heroes Revan and Malak stumbled upon long-hidden Sith Empire's capital of Dromund Kaas, and its ruler - a mysterious, almost godlike avatar of the dark side.
Taken from Star Wars: The Old Republic: Encyclopedia
- and can pull-off Voice alongside controlling minions. He draws energy from draining other beings and even from chaos itself, to fuel his own. Vitiate can siphon energy from even Abeloth to fuel his own.
In addition, since this is Vitiate (and) Darth Nihilus versus Abeloth, the latter's chances of victory are zero.
1. He made that claim before the canon split, apparently. The Son overpowered the Father after the Father claimed he was weakened by age. An immortal being weakened by age is precisely what I'd call PIS, by the way. He claims exactly that in Mortis arc.
Vitiate's SWTOR sources don't acknowledge any events that occur after SWTOR, nor do they acknowledge the Ones.
2. This can go on all day.
And she unleashed that energy subconsciously - out of sheer anger. In other words, she didn't need to actively blow the city apart. And she was unlikely to be at full strength, either.
That showing isn't comparable because it was an active application of the Force and it was a summoned storm, not energy that was unleashed subconsciously as a result of sheer anger.
3. I told you - Valis is a notable Child. Other various Children were regular enemies for the Consular.
4. I rarely ever bring up biases, but it's plainly evident that that's exactly the case here. You can deny it however much you want, lol. And you telling me to stick to arguments is laughable when you don't even properly address some of my points. You completely dropped the discussion on light/dark side being a necessity to defeat Abeloth.
And lol @ you saying it was Yoda as if it makes any difference. Yoda is just as good a swordsman as Palpatine, if not better. And I proved everything in that debate, whereas you failed to even make a response ultimately. And the notion that duelists are superior to others based on their era is pretty laughable.
5. The Sinkhole Station kept those black holes in place, so destroying it is certainly a monumental feat. Secondly, she broke out repeatedly and was re-imprisoned by the Ones.
6. Right, but if you imagine that Vitiate has time to be donating his strength to other individuals in a contest against Abeloth, then there's no point discussing this with you.
7. Abeloth can also siphon from Vitiate, and I don't know why you use hype-buster accolades to promote Vitiate. Abeloth has similar accolades too, and better ones. In fact, your quote claims Vitiate was merely "almost-godlike", yet sources have claimed that the Ones very much are godlike, and they are Celestials, basically. They represent the aspects of the Force themselves. They actually had to leave the known galaxy because their powers threatened to ruin/destroy the universe. So no, it's not arguable that Vitiate exceeds them in power.
Originally posted by SunRazer
1. He made that claim before the canon split, apparently. The Son overpowered the Father after the Father claimed he was weakened by age. An immortal being weakened by age is precisely what I'd call PIS, by the way. He claims exactly that in Mortis arc.
Q: Are The Old Republic expansions canon?A: No — BioWare "has created their own universe that is so fantastic," we’re not going to change it, says Hidalgo.
---
The Father was dying.
The Father knew his days were numbered -- facing his impending demise, he needed to find another to keep the balance.
Taken from Star Wars Databank
Therefore, I doubt that these beings of Mortis are immortal.
Originally posted by SunRazer
Vitiate's SWTOR sources don't acknowledge any events that occur after SWTOR, nor do they acknowledge the Ones.
Although the Republic has existed for millennia, there is evidence to suggest that long before its founding, a highly advanced race ruled the galaxy. Referred to as the "Architects" or "Celestials" by scholars, these beings possessed remarkable technology capable of constructing or realigning solar systems. The Corellia system, for example, appears to have been artificially constructed. These claims would seem extraordinary, but many of the Architects' machines survived the ages. The Vultar system was home to an immense "Cosmic Turbine" that could only have been Architect technology, before misuse destroyed both the turbine and the Vultar system itself. The fabled Centerpoint Station is thought to be an Architect installation, though many species have claimed it as the work of their own people. In addition to their engineering marvels, it is believed that the Architects seeded the Core Worlds with life–particularly humans–though some attribute this to the Rakata's Infinite Empire. Despite the proof of their achievements, however, there is little evidence to suggest where the Architects came from or what eventually became of them.
Taken from Star Wars: The Old Republic: Galactic History 01: The Architects
Originally posted by SunRazer
2. This can go on all day.And she unleashed that energy subconsciously - out of sheer anger. In other words, she didn't need to actively blow the city apart. And she was unlikely to be at full strength, either.
Also, Sith are known to use their emotions to fuel their power and even unleash Force powers (e.g. Force Lightning).
Through their focus on these elements of the Force, the Sith have developed terrible powers, such as the ability to drain a being of its life force, or unleash their hatred as crackling bolts of energy.
Taken from Star Wars: The Old Republic: Encyclopedia
In short, Abeloth actively attacked the City of Glass.
Originally posted by SunRazer
That showing isn't comparable because it was an active application of the Force and it was a summoned storm, not energy that was unleashed subconsciously as a result of sheer anger.
You cannot even read properly, I seems.
Originally posted by SunRazer
3. I told you - Valis is a notable Child. Other various Children were regular enemies for the Consular.
Originally posted by SunRazer
4. I rarely ever bring up biases, but it's plainly evident that that's exactly the case here. You can deny it however much you want, lol. And you telling me to stick to arguments is laughable when you don't even properly address some of my points. You completely dropped the discussion on light/dark side being a necessity to defeat Abeloth.
I am addressing your arguments, but you are not paying attention. Your typical response is to dismiss, downplay, and make unsubstantiated claims and silly theories.
Coming back to the presumed requirement of practitioners of both Light Side and Dark Side to defeat Abeloth in a battle, this is false. As I pointed out earlier, Luke Skywalker singlehandedly destroyed an avatar of Abeloth in a cave setting. This example affirms that Abeloth can loose in a battle against a competent foe. It is also inferred that an ancient weapon known as Dagger of Mortis can be used to kill Abeloth with a single blow.
You are trying to impose a story element on a hypothetical versus scenario and this isn't practical. If this is the case then keep in mind that Vitiate cannot be killed with conventional methods either. Even if looses a host, he can continue to function as an essence and he cannot be restrained in this form.
Originally posted by SunRazer
And lol @ you saying it was Yoda as if it makes any difference. Yoda is just as good a swordsman as Palpatine, if not better. And I proved everything in that debate, whereas you failed to even make a response ultimately. And the notion that duelists are superior to others based on their era is pretty laughable.
Originally posted by SunRazer
5. The Sinkhole Station kept those black holes in place, so destroying it is certainly a monumental feat. Secondly, she broke out repeatedly and was re-imprisoned by the Ones.
As for Abeloth's repeated attempts to break free from her prison, this can be correct. And this also implies that Sinkhole station could not hold her forever.
Destroying Lenico Blue Colony is also a monumental feat. It is also enormous in size with high-speed trains being used as a means of transportation within.
Originally posted by SunRazer
6. Right, but if you imagine that Vitiate has time to be donating his strength to other individuals in a contest against Abeloth, then there's no point discussing this with you.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Son overwhelmed Father in a confrontation as well. These matters aren't so black and white.Comparison of potency of beings involved:-
Son versus Jedi
Vitiate versus Jedi
Nihilus versus Traya
You should understand that Vitiate isn't a mortal being and his power is not restricted by a Midi-chlorian cap that mortals have. Vitiate's strength comes from sorcery and sources of energy.
Originally posted by SunRazer
7. Abeloth can also siphon from Vitiate, and I don't know why you use hype-buster accolades to promote Vitiate. Abeloth has similar accolades too, and better ones. In fact, your quote claims Vitiate was merely "almost-godlike", yet sources have claimed that the Ones very much are godlike, and they are Celestials, basically. They represent the aspects of the Force themselves. They actually had to leave the known galaxy because their powers threatened to ruin/destroy the universe. So no, it's not arguable that Vitiate exceeds them in power.
Also, watch Obi-Wan tolerating the power of a being of Mortis:
As for the reasons to reside on Mortis, we have claims of Father (in Canon continuity) and Abeloth being held responsible for beings of Mortis to seek refuge inside Mortis (in Legends continuity).
1. SWTOR isn't canon, either, lol.
Why would they not be immortal? They're entities of the Force, and this is actually confirmed. http://www.comicvine.com/profile/shootingnova/blog/the-ones-of-mortis-respect-thread/102732/
There's also an accolade in there where they're stated to be all-powerful.
2. The Ones are evolved Celestials, essentially.
3. It doesn't fail to make sense just because you disagree with it. Read the passage - Abeloth unleashed that power subconsciously. In other words, it wasn't an active assault, nor was she at full power, so the feat doesn't compare. And the feat involved a Storm being summoned, not raw power rippling throughout the city.
4. It's laughable how you keep demanding proof from others, and when you run out of proof, you resort to dismissing another's argument as nonsense. It's hypocritical of you to be dismissing my point like that when you accuse me of the same thing. Concession accepted, though.
5. Luke destroying an avatar is like HoT beating an avatar. It's not a permanent kill by any means, which is what I'm referring to.
6. I think it's inferrable that the Sinkhole Station was responsible for the black holes, considering that they moved apart after it was destroyed.
7. I know of all that. That doesn't show that he would be capable of diverting his strength to others whilst fighting Abeloth.
The Son wasn't trying to kill Obi-Wan, lol. If you're suggesting that Obi-Wan could actually last in a real fight, then I don't have anything to say. Otherwise, that doesn't show anything.
Abeloth eventually became the "Mother", and she received her powers from the same sources as the Son and Daughter. Her not being born as a Celestial is irrelevant, especially when Vitiate wasn't either.
Really? Multiple sources in the RT above contradict that - the Son is stated to be the Personification of the Dark Side, and the Daughter was the embodiment of the Light Side. Lucas also claims the Father represents the Balance of the Force, a quote which I believe is even on Wookieepedia.
Legends sourcebooks reiterate the need for the Ones to go to Mortis. It's in the thread above. I refrain from posting quotes here unless absolutely necessary because I'm not used to the quotation system. At the moment, I just use speech marks. But here we go:
"Long ago, the Ones withdrew from the galaxy to avoid ruining it with their Force powers. "
- The Ultimate Visual Guide: Updated and Expanded
And of course, the Father's actual quote:
"My children and I can manipulate the Force like no other. Therefore, it was necessary to withdraw from the temporal world and live here as anchorites."
"As a sanctuary?"
"And a prison. You cannot imagine what pain it is to have such love for your children… and realize that they could tear the very fabric of our universe."
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Your disagreement carry no weight without proper evidence to back it up.Lord Nyax is more powerful then Darths Vitiate and Nihilus, based on what exactly?
Both Vitiate and Nihilus have superior showings with the Force then Nyax. And both can defeat Nyax in an all-out confrontation.
Nyax's skills with a lightsaber are useless against foes such as Vitiate and Nihilus because confrontation with each is unlikely to come down to this moment.
The only chance they have is using lightning against him, which he might simply not know how to defend against. But then again he might be able to tank it and only get angrier.
Originally posted by SunRazer
1. SWTOR isn't canon, either, lol.Why would they not be immortal? They're entities of the Force, and this is actually confirmed. http://www.comicvine.com/profile/shootingnova/blog/the-ones-of-mortis-respect-thread/102732/
There's also an accolade in there where they're stated to be all-powerful.
2. The Ones are evolved Celestials, essentially.
3. It doesn't fail to make sense just because you disagree with it. Read the passage - Abeloth unleashed that power subconsciously. In other words, it wasn't an active assault, nor was she at full power, so the feat doesn't compare. And the feat involved a Storm being summoned, not raw power rippling throughout the city.
4. It's laughable how you keep demanding proof from others, and when you run out of proof, you resort to dismissing another's argument as nonsense. It's hypocritical of you to be dismissing my point like that when you accuse me of the same thing. Concession accepted, though.
5. Luke destroying an avatar is like HoT beating an avatar. It's not a permanent kill by any means, which is what I'm referring to.
6. I think it's inferrable that the Sinkhole Station was responsible for the black holes, considering that they moved apart after it was destroyed.
7. I know of all that. That doesn't show that he would be capable of diverting his strength to others whilst fighting Abeloth.
The Son wasn't trying to kill Obi-Wan, lol. If you're suggesting that Obi-Wan could actually last in a real fight, then I don't have anything to say. Otherwise, that doesn't show anything.
Abeloth eventually became the "Mother", and she received her powers from the same sources as the Son and Daughter. Her not being born as a Celestial is irrelevant, especially when Vitiate wasn't either.
Really? Multiple sources in the RT above contradict that - the Son is stated to be the Personification of the Dark Side, and the Daughter was the embodiment of the Light Side. Lucas also claims the Father represents the Balance of the Force, a quote which I believe is even on Wookieepedia.
Legends sourcebooks reiterate the need for the Ones to go to Mortis. It's in the thread above. I refrain from posting quotes here unless absolutely necessary because I'm not used to the quotation system. At the moment, I just use speech marks. But here we go:
"Long ago, the Ones withdrew from the galaxy to avoid ruining it with their Force powers. "
- The Ultimate Visual Guide: Updated and Expanded
And of course, the Father's actual quote:
"My children and I can manipulate the Force like no other. Therefore, it was necessary to withdraw from the temporal world and live here as anchorites."
"As a sanctuary?"
"And a prison. You cannot imagine what pain it is to have such love for your children… and realize that they could tear the very fabric of our universe."
Great,where it states they are the Force itself!? To manipulate=to use-->Force user
Palpatine tears apart the fabric of space and time,Nihilus tears apart the fabric of the Force itself;
In TCW Son dies,Daughter dies,Father dies and the fabric of the Force and universe remains intact. Son shows remorse when he unwillingly stabbed his sister-->He's not the DARK SIDE ITSELF,as the Father warns him to not fall to it.
Proof,they aren't the Force itself. 😛
Originally posted by SunRazer
1. SWTOR isn't canon, either, lol.
Originally posted by SunRazer
Why would they not be immortal? They're entities of the Force, and this is actually confirmed. http://www.comicvine.com/profile/shootingnova/blog/the-ones-of-mortis-respect-thread/102732/
Originally posted by SunRazer
There's also an accolade in there where they're stated to be all-powerful.
Even in Canon continuity, The Ones are not all-powerful.
Originally posted by SunRazer
2. The Ones are evolved Celestials, essentially.
Originally posted by SunRazerNoted that Abeloth unleashed her power subconsciously. But she was in a state of anger and such emotions are known to fuel the power of the practitioners of the Dark Side.
3. It doesn't fail to make sense just because you disagree with it. Read the passage - Abeloth unleashed that power subconsciously. In other words, it wasn't an active assault, nor was she at full power, so the feat doesn't compare.
Originally posted by SunRazer
And the feat involved a Storm being summoned, not raw power rippling throughout the city.
What part of this statement you did not understand?
FYI: A natural storm doesn't unleashes Force energy. It is a manifestation of powerful winds.
For comparison, description of Abeloth's feat:
The entire city was attacked by a wind filled with glass shards, each a shikkar driven with a single purpose - to hurt anyone, anything, living inside the City of Glass. They were the Lost Tribe - they would suffer, all of them, as their leader had made her suffer.
Taken from Star Wars: Fate of the Jedi: Ascension
Both are similar feats.
Originally posted by SunRazer
4. It's laughable how you keep demanding proof from others, and when you run out of proof, you resort to dismissing another's argument as nonsense. It's hypocritical of you to be dismissing my point like that when you accuse me of the same thing. Concession accepted, though.
Read this:
By drawing on his incredible dark powers, the Emperor imprinted his consciousness onto unwitting pawns who would serve as vessels for carrying out his will. Through the eyes and ears of these "children," he would uncover threats in both the Empire and Republic while they were still nothing but whispers. And should the need arise, the Emperor could seize control of his children and instruct them to crush any plot that dared defy his will.
Taken from Star Wars: The Old Republic: Encyclopedia
As pointed out to you several times before, Children are 'powerful manifestations of sorcery' inside individuals. They are all potent.
As an example, when such manifestation was activated within Kira Carsen, she sent Hero of Tython packing with a Force push in a demonstration of strength. This strength was a product of sorcery within Kira Carsen, and not her own. In a normal situation, Kira Carsen cannot be expected to dominate Hero of Tython in comparable manner.
The above being said;
She would be opposed down to the final breath, the last drop of blood, of nearly every Jedi in the galaxy. And in that battle, even so ancient and powerful a being as Abeloth could not stand.
Taken from Star Wars: Fate of the Jedi: Ascension
As I had been reiterating earlier; Vitiate + Children = too much for Abeloth. PERIOD.
Originally posted by SunRazer
5. Luke destroying an avatar is like HoT beating an avatar. It's not a permanent kill by any means, which is what I'm referring to.
For this hypothetical versus scenario, how many avatars are you assuming? No conditions are defined.
Originally posted by SunRazer
6. I think it's inferrable that the Sinkhole Station was responsible for the black holes, considering that they moved apart after it was destroyed.
Originally posted by SunRazer
7. I know of all that. That doesn't show that he would be capable of diverting his strength to others whilst fighting Abeloth.
Assuming that Abeloth is somehow capable of coping with full concentrated attack of Vitiate, the latter have Darth Nihilus on his side who also happens to consume on planetary-scale and is a powerhouse in his own right. Darth Nihilus would drain enormous amount of energy from Abeloth, weakening her on each passing moment.
Abeloth cannot cope with the aforementioned pressures as apparent from her loss to the duo of Luke Skywalker and Darth Krayt. She will loose.
Originally posted by SunRazer
The Son wasn't trying to kill Obi-Wan, lol. If you're suggesting that Obi-Wan could actually last in a real fight, then I don't have anything to say. Otherwise, that doesn't show anything.
Originally posted by SunRazer
Abeloth eventually became the "Mother", and she received her powers from the same sources as the Son and Daughter. Her not being born as a Celestial is irrelevant, especially when Vitiate wasn't either.
Originally posted by SunRazer
Really? Multiple sources in the RT above contradict that - the Son is stated to be the Personification of the Dark Side, and the Daughter was the embodiment of the Light Side. Lucas also claims the Father represents the Balance of the Force, a quote which I believe is even on Wookieepedia.
Originally posted by SunRazer
Legends sourcebooks reiterate the need for the Ones to go to Mortis. It's in the thread above. I refrain from posting quotes here unless absolutely necessary because I'm not used to the quotation system. At the moment, I just use speech marks. But here we go:"Long ago, the Ones withdrew from the galaxy to avoid ruining it with their Force powers. "
- The Ultimate Visual Guide: Updated and Expanded
And of course, the Father's actual quote:
"My children and I can manipulate the Force like no other. Therefore, it was necessary to withdraw from the temporal world and live here as anchorites."
"As a sanctuary?"
"And a prison. You cannot imagine what pain it is to have such love for your children… and realize that they could tear the very fabric of our universe."
Star Wars: Fate of the Jedi series lore reveals that Abeloth and The Ones resided in the same planet simply known as Abeloth's World. When Abeloth formed, she forced The Ones to flee and seek refuge in Mortis, a mysterious realm which Abeloth may not be able to locate.
In these reliefs, Abeloth stood alone in the courtyard, watching the Father depart with the Son and Daughter. Her face was contorted in anger, and the air around her was whirling with fronds and jungle reptiles and lightning. In the panels that followed, she looked even more deranged. The courtyard was overrun with vegetation, and a large winged lizard was struggling to escape her grasp, its eyes wide with terror, it wings straining as it struggled to pull its foot out of her hand.
Taken from Star Wars: Fate of the Jedi: Apocalypse
Originally posted by Arhael
Giving a lot of hard time to prime Luke despite help is above any combat feats done Vitiate and Nihilus. Nyax will just mind dominate them and make them his puppets 😉.
Emperor Vitiate have stomped Strike Teams of Jedi and Sith; These Jedi and Sith are among the most powerful of their Orders respectively. And these accomplishments are among best confrontation-based showings in the mythos.
Your assertion that Lord Nyax will be able to telepathically dominate Vitiate is laughable. Vitiate is virtually immune to telepathic subjugation and have superior telepathic abilities then any Sith in the mythos. Vitiate have possessed individuals on planetary-scale and successfully reduced some of the strongest Jedi of the Order to his puppets (more then one at a time).
Originally posted by Arhael
The only chance they have is using lightning against him, which he might simply not know how to defend against. But then again he might be able to tank it and only get angrier.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Fact is that Luke Skywalker isn't so powerful as fans try to promote him.Emperor Vitiate have stomped [B]Strike Teams
of Jedi and Sith; These Jedi and Sith are among the most powerful of their Orders respectively. And these accomplishments are among best confrontation-based showings in the mythos.Your assertion that Lord Nyax will be able to telepathically dominate Vitiate is laughable. Vitiate is virtually immune to telepathic subjugation and have superior telepathic abilities then any Sith in the mythos. Vitiate have possessed individuals on planetary-scale and successfully reduced some of the strongest Jedi of the Order to his puppets (more then one at a time).
Vitiate and Nihilus have some of the most potent Force abilities among the practitioners of the Dark Side. They are much more likely to defeat Lord Nyax. [/B]
