Ghostbusters (2016)

Originally posted by Kazenji
Guessed as much....haven't actually seen it

do you actually believe everything that you read?

Dude first off I admitted before I haven't, and even recently said I'd probably wait until this is on netflix. It's hard to say you "guessed it" when I have voluntarily put forth this information.

As for believing everything I read? No I don't, if I did I would of bought into the whole "this is totally an awesome movie because a few celebs tweeted it was" wouldn't of I? Or the "this is totally awesome because Bill Murray said it was" line of thought. So you already know I don't believe everything I read, if I did I'd believe this movie wasn't shitty.

Originally posted by Firefly218
Yeah because box office results are always an indication of quality

This turd had the whole controversy thing going for it and it STILL couldn't even appear at #1 lol.

Also why do I get the feeling if it made a billion dollars at the box office that would be some shit you'd be posting about? As if it meant something?

Don't lie: if this turd made a billion dollars would you of just not mentioned it or acted like it meant nothing? No, you'd be singing it's praises and using that as evidence.

Originally posted by Surtur

As for believing everything I read? No I don't, if I did I would of bought into the whole "this is totally an awesome movie because a few celebs tweeted it was" wouldn't of I? Or the "this is totally awesome because Bill Murray said it was" line of thought. So you already know I don't believe everything I read, if I did I'd believe this movie wasn't shitty.

So why the phuck keep presuming the movie is shitty, When you keep bringing up that presumption when you clearly don't believe everything that you read... 😬

Originally posted by Kazenji
So why the phuck keep presuming the movie is shitty, When you keep bringing up that presumption when you clearly don't believe everything that you read... 😬

I haven't been given any reason to disbelieve the box office reports or the overall audience reaction to this.

Plus like I said to the other guy, we both know if this movie did well at the box office that people would be citing that as evidence. Do you disagree with me on that? Do you disagree if this made a billion dollars over the weekend people would just be all "well gee the critics approve of this movie" and nothing else?

Originally posted by Surtur
This turd had the whole controversy thing going for it and it STILL couldn't even appear at #1 lol.

Also why do I get the feeling if it made a billion dollars at the box office that would be some shit you'd be posting about? As if it meant something?

Don't lie: if this turd made a billion dollars would you of just not mentioned it or acted like it meant nothing? No, you'd be singing it's praises and using that as evidence.

1. it repelled normal fans of the ghostbusters franchise from going to the theater

2. It served as ammunition for and it inspired legions of sexist Internet assholes to badmouth and organize campaigns to shit all over the movie. Did you hear Leslie Jones just got harassed off Twitter with death threats, pictures of guys' dicks covered in semen and extreme bullying? Seriously that happened.

3. The extreme backlash to the trailer motivated some groups of feminists to send out their own attack dogs

Do you honestly think all these things helped the movie in any way? IMO the poor box office can be chalked up to terrible marketing and politics

Originally posted by Surtur

Plus like I said to the other guy, we both know if this movie did well at the box office that people would be citing that as evidence. Do you disagree with me on that? Do you disagree if this made a billion dollars over the weekend people would just be all "well gee the critics approve of this movie" and nothing else?

According to what i'm looking at its done $50,925,548 for the U.S. domestic

but i guess that's considered bad these days 🙄

^ Yeah that's more than Warcrafts done in its whole domestic run. The thing making this a probable flop is China's decision to ban it.

Originally posted by Kazenji
According to what i'm looking at its done $50,925,548 for the U.S. domestic

but i guess that's considered bad these days 🙄

Dude do I have to explain to you how things like budgets and all that stuff work?

According to wiki it has made $69 million dollars. Which in context isn't good because it cost $144 million to make and comments from the director seem to imply it needs to net at least $300 million to break even.

So in THAT context how is that not bad?

Originally posted by Firefly218
The trailer did 2 things

1. it repelled normal fans of the ghostbusters franchise from going to the theater

This is true, and this should of been a red flag right away because the entire point of calling it Ghostbusters was to capitalize on that nostalgia, but they just made it shitty.

It was weird to see people whine about butthurt Ghostbusters fans when it was those same fans they wanted to manipulate into throwing money at this JUST because it was Ghostbusters and they failed utterly spectacularly.

2. It served as ammunition for and it inspired legions of sexist Internet assholes to badmouth and organize campaigns to shit all over the movie. Did you hear Leslie Jones just got harassed off Twitter with death threats, pictures of guys' dicks covered in semen and extreme bullying? Seriously that happened.

Yeah I heard of that. If you can't handle Twitter then I would suggest people don't create Twitter accounts. My computer has this button I can use to shut it off and my nifty mouse can take me AWAY from shitty websites.

I'm not saying they deserve to be harassed, just that there isn't some mystical force that compels a person to not log off their computer, that is pure choice. F*ck twitter anyways, it is shitty.

3. The extreme backlash to the trailer motivated some groups of feminists to send out their own attack dogs

Do you honestly think all these things helped the movie in any way? IMO the poor box office can be chalked up to terrible marketing and politics

I think controversy can always help and yet they still couldn't outdo "Secret Life of Pets" lol.

You see if people didn't over react and act like the majority of people disliked this because of misogyny? Then you might not of had as much controversy, but people just couldn't accept some might find it shitty. They couldn't accept that this bait of a movie with the "lol it's all femalez!!!" gimmick might not be the best.

It was when people like you tried to tell everyone that they just disliked it because of females..that people got really pissed over it.

Originally posted by Firefly218
How badly it treats a once loved franchise? The movie worships its predecessor and pays so much homage to it. The actors from said franchise are each included and each given a moment for themselves...

Alienating their audience? You mean by putting out a bad trailer that some people overreacted to... Or by having too many women as leads?

And once again you've said all this probably without even seeing the movie, so your opinion is invalid anyways.

At least one was forcibly included. Bill Murray himself was threatened with legal action if he didn't comply.

No, by responding to all criticism with "lol you so sexist".

What has women as leads got to do with it? Sigourney Weaver was a lead in the original movies, and nobody cared.

How is anything I've said invalid? I was commenting on the marketing, the trailers and the public behaviour of the studio and those involved. I didn't say a single thing about the quality of the movie, or lack thereof.

Bill Murray was NOT legally forced to do a cameo, he chose to do it of free will

http://www.cinemablend.com/new/Why-Bill-Murray-Finally-Agreed-Do-Ghostbusters-Cameo-80047.html

I mean hey the man chose to do Garfield and it's sequel out of free will too, everyone makes horrible life choices.

Originally posted by -Pr-
I didn't say a single thing about the quality of the movie, or lack thereof.

Yeah but most people who haven't seen the movie here are commenting on it's quality despite it being Certified Fresh and at worst having a mixed audience reaction on RT.

Of course it won't make a difference if they do see it, seen as they've already made up their minds about it.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Yeah but most people who haven't seen the movie here are commenting on it's quality despite it being Certified Fresh and at worst having a mixed audience reaction on RT.

Of course it won't make a difference if they do see it, seen as they've already made up their minds about it.

Holy shit dude who cares if some make up their minds? Just like a-holes made up their minds all the dislike was due to misogyny. Why is one side of a-holes doing something okay, but the other side not?

You seem more ticked people made up their mind based on fan reaction and the box office as opposed to people just assuming "nope, misogyny is the reason this is disliked". Do you care to enlighten us all as to why?

Mixed reaction? it has three scores at RT, all Critics is at 73%, Top Critics score of 58% and a GA score of 57%.

Doesn't seem very mixed to me. to me that clearly says it's bad to mediocre.

When I was in school if I got a 58% on a test I got a f*cking F on it. Hell a 73% was like a C- or a D+.

Plus if people are going to say others will hate it due to controversy then it means people could just as easily like it for the same, so the critics score would then mean nothing to me. Hell it would mean all reviews can't be trusted and thus we could just go by box office lol. Which again: Secret Life of Pets>>>this movie apparently based on what people were willing to spend hard earned money on.

Also don't even try to blame China, there is nothing that says it would of been massively financially successful if it got released in China. Do those people just have big ol' hard ons for the other Ghostbusters films? Oh wait they don't?

Originally posted by Surtur
Holy shit dude who cares if some make up their minds? Just like a-holes made up their minds all the dislike was due to misogyny. Why is one side of a-holes doing something okay, but the other side not?

You seem more ticked people made up their mind based on fan reaction and the box office as opposed to people just assuming "nope, misogyny is the reason this is disliked". Do you care to enlighten us all as to why?

I honestly don't give 2 shits about this film. I'm just observing the laughable hate for a film without even seeing it, in spite of good critical reception and positively mixed audience reactions.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Mixed reaction? it has three scores at RT, all Critics is at 73%, Top Critics score of 58% and a GA score of 57%.

Doesn't seem very mixed to me. to me that clearly says it's bad to mediocre.

Clearly you don't understand RT scores, even though you love citing them.

75% of audiences gave it a thumbs up.

Almost 60% of audiences gave it a thumbs up.

So Mixed reactions is actually a pretty pessimistic interpretation.

The RT score is at 73%, not 75. also a score of below 60 is hardly good, hell I wouldn't even consider a 60 to be good.

Originally posted by Silent Master
The RT score is at 73%, not 75. also a score of below 60 is hardly good, hell I wouldn't even consider a 60 to be good.

I think you need to look up the meaning of "mixed" reaction then.

Even 40% could be considered a mixed reaction, given 4/10 people who saw it liked it.

There is a difference between thinking something is ok and thinking it's great. and given that the average GA rating was a 3.1/5. even the people that "liked" it didn't think it was all that good.