Morrison's Multiverse!

Originally posted by operator616
Even if pre-FP WS is coming back in Convergence, you wouldn't find it in the multiversity guidebook (the scans which Galan posted) because the guidebook is restricted to featuring only the universes of the N52 continuity. You're basically looking in the wrong place.

Ok, but if it's all DC, and it is in fact coming back in some form, it just seems disappointing not to include it. I mean, do we really need a 35th slight variation on the Justice League? And do we need it more than a unique universe of characters that sold extremely well for years?

#poordecisions

Originally posted by kevdude
Here's some scans for the Monitor Watchstation aka The House of Heroes. Harbringer awakens from her sleep and explains to Superman and the others the dangers the Multiverse is facing.

http://i.imgur.com/vs7fhGY.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/2qDtEm2.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/lELdGPj.jpg

If we see on the maps, the House of Heroes is right in the middle rotating through the Fifth Dimension within the Orrery of Worlds. I have 2 maps, 1 for the whole DCU and another for just the Orrery of Worlds.

http://i.imgur.com/0Dkczq9.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/5SJI2U7.jpg

We also see something with a '?" world or whatever it is, pretty close near Chaos. Hope we get to see what that is! 😮‍💨

The 5th Dimension is withIN the orrery of worlds?
And dint the Guidebook show that the monitors monitored from outside the multiverse?

looks like Convergence is going to have a genuine impact on DC, Post-Convergence will not featuring the New 52 Heading, indicating a major effect as an aftermath:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qQ6mosDcMpw

Originally posted by VastoLord1234
looks like Convergence is going to have a genuine impact on DC, Post-Convergence will not featuring the New 52 Heading, indicating a major effect as an aftermath:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qQ6mosDcMpw

And to clarify: Although DC is no longer using the "New 52" moniker, the 2011-launched, rebooted DC universe is apparently sticking around — just with less emphasis on the new universe's continuity, and more emphasis on diversifying the line.
http://www.newsarama.com/23456-dc-reveals-major-changes-new-direction-for-comic-book-line.html

Aside from that, we also know 25 of DC's current ongoing series' will remain relatively intact/unchanged after Convergence has concluded... So while DC will drop the "New 52" heading(about time, imo), I don't know if the changes gleaned from Convergence will be as major/all-encompassing as you might think. We'll see, though. /shrug

I'm catching up on multiversity now.

Does anyone have anything definite on the narrative flow in Pax Americana? Order of images, etc.

It's been awhile but, IIRC, its pretty much all in reverse. So the last scene actually took place first and so on. The exceptions are the interrogation scene (which takes place last IIRC) and the two page spread where 3 different times are shown at once (but they still are in the proper place).

Originally posted by ares834
It's been awhile but, IIRC, its pretty much all in reverse. So the last scene actually took place first and so on. The exceptions are the interrogation scene (which takes place last IIRC) and the two page spread where 3 different times are shown at once (but they still are in the proper place).

I have a fever atm, can barely wrap my head around this morrison goodness.

Okay, so this is the current status until we get the latest multiversity:

7 of the worlds are unknown.
7 or more have been invaded by the Gentry
2 or more have been destroyed

Originally posted by Galan007
Earth 0: http://i.imgur.com/tDB1tDb.jpg Preboot/New Earth
Earth 1: http://i.imgur.com/13KnVbF.jpg Safe
Earth 2-3: http://i.imgur.com/hBmS3M1.jpg 2 unknown atm, Earth 3 was destroyed iirc.
Earth 4: http://i.imgur.com/EbEULjm.jpg Was invaded by the end of Pax Americana. The agent of the Gentry was Sgt.Steele I think.
Earth 5: http://i.imgur.com/nX64dgk.jpg Gentry Invasion failed. Agent presumed to be Sivana (Ultra comics in back-pocket).
Earth 6-7: http://i.imgur.com/ohVMRYc.jpgEarth 7 was invaded and destroyed by the Gentry in Multiversity #1, this is where Nix Uotan was caught.
Earth 8-9: http://i.imgur.com/vXfYg5Q.jpg Earth 8 was invaded by the Gentry at the end of Multiversity #1. Lord Havok was their agent and corrupted Nix Uotan was birthed into this universe.
Earth 10: http://i.imgur.com/Gt8Ckmt.jpg Safe for now
Earth 11-12: http://i.imgur.com/EAFvGV0.jpg Safe, but Lady Sivana can be assumed to be this earth's agent of the Gentry and she was seen carrying a comic. 12 also seems safe.
Earth 13: http://i.imgur.com/OKHMtUb.jpg Safe
Earth 14-15: http://i.imgur.com/3Weoigg.jpg 14 is unknown, 15 was destroyed in countdown.
Earth 16: http://i.imgur.com/dwFioZq.jpg Was invaded by the Gentry, and seemingly destroyed, in The Just. Their agent was Alexis Luthor.
Earth 17: http://i.imgur.com/JgBoyaX.jpg Safe/Difficult to say
Earth 18-19: http://i.imgur.com/xwxCKAH.jpg Safe
Earth 20: http://i.imgur.com/k1lH5ZB.jpg Invaded by the Gentry in Society of Super Heroes. Their agents were Vandal Savage and Felix Faust.
Earth 21: http://i.imgur.com/hWS4NAK.jpg Safe
Earth 22: http://i.imgur.com/xzgLuEY.jpg Safe
Earth 23: http://i.imgur.com/GYKTf4L.jpg Safe
Earth 24-26: http://i.imgur.com/ANVsKcM.jpg 24 and 25 are unknown, 26 is somewhat safe
Earth 27-29: http://i.imgur.com/hLXMe18.jpg 27 and 28 are unknown, 29 is safe.
Earth 30: http://i.imgur.com/TJQq9iZ.jpg Safe
Earth 31-32: http://i.imgur.com/tmqGUZc.jpg Safe and Safe
Earth 33 (Ultra Comics/Earth Prime): http://i.imgur.com/wtibjoI.jpg Impossible to say, could be the operative base of the Gentry.
Earth 34-35: http://i.imgur.com/G2seSf0.jpg Safe
Earth 36-37: http://i.imgur.com/S8mFxkG.jpg Safe
Earth 38-39: http://i.imgur.com/L3ZtwhU.jpg Safe
Earth 40-41: http://i.imgur.com/Qvjlk7Y.jpg Invaded by the Gentry in Society of Super Heroes. Their agents were Vandal Savage and Felix Faust.
Earth 42: http://i.imgur.com/M5l07he.jpg Under control by some unknown force.
Earth 43: http://i.imgur.com/hpbZdp2.jpg Safe
Earth 44-45: http://i.imgur.com/I09qKIU.jpg Safe and Safe
Earth 46-47: http://i.imgur.com/jBaSmh6.jpg Unknown and Safe. Earth 47 has Prez from Gaiman's Sandman comic as president?
Earth 48: http://i.imgur.com/Gr4MUQH.jpg Safe
Earth 49-50: http://i.imgur.com/meR7ksA.jpg Unknown and Safe
Earth 51: http://i.imgur.com/wCXLhXM.jpg Invaded by the Gentry in Multiversity Guidebook. Nix Uotan manifested here as well and unleashed Darkseid.

Update, Earth 48 was destroyed by the Two Faced in Battle for the Multiverse #5

So what did you guys think of Mastermen? It seems to be the most divisive issue of Multiversity yet. Personally, I loved it.

I loved it, but it wouldn't surprise me if it turns out to be the least popular one.

It's also an example of the Gentry playing both sides of the fence.

Demogorgunn (Sivana) plying his trade with the american terrorist, while Lord Broken works Overman.

I wouldn't say that I loved it, but it was definitely an enjoyable story overall.

Originally posted by krisblaze
I loved it, but it wouldn't surprise me if it turns out to be the least popular one.

It's also an example of the Gentry playing both sides of the fence.

Demogorgunn (Sivana) plying his trade with the american terrorist, while Lord Broken works Overman.

Actually, Overman was working with the terrorists. He was the traitor that was mentioned.

Nice call on the Sivanas representing Demo though.

Originally posted by ares834
Actually, Overman was working with the terrorists. He was the traitor that was mentioned.

Nice call on the Sivanas representing Demo though.

I suppose we've also more or less confirmed that they enter not just through comic-books, but also through dreams.

^ We know The Gentry are essentially a meta-textual virus who infect the very concept of 'story' by embedding themselves within it. If a character is then exposed to an infected story/comic, their entire universe becomes susceptible to an assault from The Gentry. Based on that, using a character's dreams/thoughts to segway between universes/comics is a logical step, imo.

Anyway, I can't wait for Ultra Comics next month. Given its massive in-universe importance, it should be an EPIC read. 👆

Originally posted by Galan007
^ We know The Gentry are essentially a meta-textual virus who infect the very concept of 'story' by embedding themselves within it. If a character is then exposed to an infected story/comic, their entire universe becomes susceptible to an assault from The Gentry. Based on that, using a character's dreams/thoughts to segway between universes/comics is a logical step, imo.

Like how the monitors were supposed to be editors.

I read a few theories that had them down as "new readers". Or sort of other fanbases that the comic industry try to tap into.

Demogorgunn was also confirmed as the Zombies from Society of Super-heroes.

Originally posted by Galan007
Anyway, I can't wait for Ultra Comics next month. Given its massive in-universe importance, it should be an EPIC read. 👆

Though I hope I'm not setting myself up for a classic Morrison disappointment.

Get all hyped up and then become disappointed the first time I read it....

It might be pure genius the 5th time I read it, but that doesn't do much to soften the blow on that first one...

The Gentry may be supposed to be DC's Executive Meddling, So they can break and ruin stories.

Originally posted by krisblaze
I loved it, but it wouldn't surprise me if it turns out to be the least popular one.

It's also an example of the Gentry playing both sides of the fence.

Demogorgunn (Sivana) plying his trade with the american terrorist, while Lord Broken works Overman.

huh. how'd you get that demo was sivana....?

as for the issue itself--it was ok. def not my fave. doesn't feel as...impactful as some of the others i guess.

Originally posted by leonidas
huh. how'd you get that demo was sivana....?

as for the issue itself--it was ok. def not my fave. doesn't feel as...impactful as some of the others i guess.

I had Sivanas down as either Demogorgunn or Intellectron, but Morrison spoiled it in an interview:

GM: I hope so. I hope the presence of The Gentry will be more clear. For instance, in the Captain Marvel comic we have dozens and dozens of Sivanas, so they can represent Demogorgunn, as they always appear as some kind of horde. Or Demogorgunn could be the zombies in issue #2 or the Superman robots in issue #3. Because they’re demons, they come in different forms in each world, so I do hope when it’s finished, yeah, you should be able to look back and find a lot of new stuff and hopefully, that’s way it’s been built.

ahh. tough to realize that with only the brief intro we've had to the gentry. glad you read it though, tbh, cuz i was feeling dumb....