LT Clint Lorance

Convicted of murder in 2012 to serve 20 years for ordering his platoon to shoot at a motorcycle moving at high speed towards his platoon. This type of attack has happened countless times, Clinton however did not fire a shot.

A petition to the President has received over 100,000 signatures which requires him to address the issue. However Obama has not even addressed this issue.

What is interesting is when Obama makes calls on drone strikes non combattens lose their life all the time due to these drone strikes which are shots called from the air.

http://www.freeclintlorance.com

Not sure what Obama is supposed to do, here. The guy was convicted twice, once by the courts and then again in a second investigation this year. What's the point in having a military judiciary system if you're going to ignore their rulings despite having zero military experience yourself?

Originally posted by Tzeentch
Not sure what Obama is supposed to do, here. The guy was convicted twice, once by the courts and then again in a second investigation this year. What's the point in having a military judiciary system if you're going to ignore their rulings despite having zero military experience yourself?

Zero military experience? Lmao.

I did two tours in Iraq and Afghanistan.

He made the right call.

Obama should pardon him immediately. But he is to busy trying to get the deserter Sgt.bowe bergdahl off for desertion charges..go figure right?

I was referring to Obama having no military experience.

Why? Why should Obama go against the rulings of the military and our justice system?

Originally posted by Tzeentch
I was referring to Obama having no military experience.

Why? Why should Obama go against the rulings of the military and our justice system?

The investigation and prosecuted was a sham.

Why is he trying to let a deserter off and telling the army to drag its feet on the investigation?

So wait.

A guy who trying to save his platoon get 20 years, a guy who deserted his post gets to walk.

LOL!!!!!

If Obama weighed in on every sham trial in the US, George Zimmerman would be in jail for killing Trayvon Martin.

Conversely, Marissa Alexander wouldn't have spent years in prison for firing a warning shot in her own home because her abusive ex-husband was trespassing and threatening to kill her.

A lot of cops would be in jail for needlessly killing and or injuring civilians, like flashbanging a baby in the face.

That guy who shot that poor girl in the back of the head as she was leaving his porch after a car crash because he felt threatened would be in jail.

Conversely, a lot of people in jail for injuring or killing cops in self defense wouldn't be in jail.

Originally posted by KingD19
If Obama weighed in on every sham trial in the US, George Zimmerman would be in jail for killing Trayvon Martin.

Conversely, Marissa Alexander wouldn't have spent years in prison for firing a warning shot in her own home because her abusive ex-husband was trespassing and threatening to kill her.

A lot of cops would be in jail for needlessly killing and or injuring civilians, like flashbanging a baby in the face.

That guy who shot that poor girl in the back of the head as she was leaving his porch after a car crash because he felt threatened.

Conversely, a lot of people in jail for injuring or killing cops in self defense wouldn't be in jail.

The trial has already happened and he is in jail.

A petition has been submitted for a pardon because its obvious the trial was a sham.

However right now he is actively trying to see that the Deserter Sgt. Berg walks.

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
The trial has already happened and he is in jail.

A petition has been submitted for a pardon because its obvious the trial was a sham.

However right now he is actively trying to see that the Deserter Sgt. Berg walks.

The Trayvon Martin petition to jail Zimmerman for his crimes reached 2.2 million signatures. He didn't throw his power around for that case despite having a personal connection to it since his children and even his wife and himself could face that same kind of discrimination if they were around the wrong people or in the wrong part of the country.

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
The investigation and prosecuted was a sham.

Why is he trying to let a deserter off and telling the army to drag its feet on the investigation?

I agree that if it would be whack if Bergdahl was pardoned if it turns out that he did indeed desert his post.

Originally posted by KingD19
The Trayvon Martin petition to jail Zimmerman for his crimes reached 2.2 million signatures. He didn't throw his power around for that case despite having a personal connection to it since his children and even his wife and himself could face that same kind of discrimination if they were around the wrong people or in the wrong part of the country.

That was a domestic issue, this is a military issue during war time, and he is the commander n cheif.

I think they announced they did find he deserted his post and he will be charged. I didn't see anywhere where Obama was personally stepping in for Bergdahl after a quick search. Just that a retired soldier is saying the "white house" is dragging their feet. Something the Pentagon denied.

Originally posted by KingD19
I think they announced they did find he deserted his post and he will be charged. I didn't see anywhere where Obama was personally stepping in for Bergdahl after a quick search. Just that a retired soldier is saying the "white house" is dragging their feet. Something the Pentagon denied.

Do some research, they literally trying to help this guy walk..

From what I've heard, the military doesn't (yet?) have plans to charge Bergdahl.

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
That was a domestic issue, this is a military issue during war time, and he is the commander n cheif.

The petition to the white house still reached infinitely more signatures than it needed and he didn't act. Apparently he doesn't have to do anything even if you get the signatures. So the cases aren't different in the fact that it's not his job to personally oversee them and intervene.

That's what a military tribunal is for. Just like that's what a jury is for in the civilian cases.

Bad shit happens to people who don't deserve it.

Originally posted by Tzeentch
From what I've heard, the military doesn't (yet?) have plans to charge Bergdahl.

Don't you think that is a problem?

Also, looking at the Lorance story, his own soldiers under his command had nothing but bad things to say about him, and he had those guys on the bike killed despite them showing no hostility and actually trying to get away from him.

"His own soldiers, however, paint a much different picture: They claim their platoon leader was ignorant, overzealous and out of control. That he hated the Afghan people and that he had spent recent days tormenting the locals and issuing death threats."

"All these petitioners need to be shown what kind of man [Lorance] really is," said a soldier who served as a team leader in Lorance's platoon, who asked to speak on background because he is still on active duty. "This isn't a soldier that went to war and gone done wrong. This is a soldier that had a taste for blood and wanted to have that fulfilled. And he did, but in the wrong way."

Todd Fitzgerald, a former specialist and infantryman in Lorance's platoon, said he felt betrayed by the lieutenant.

"I don't believe that he really understood what he was getting into," he said.

Fitzgerald testified during Lorance's court-martial.

"Us testifying against him, it wasn't a matter of not liking him, it wasn't a matter of any type of grudge or coercion," he said. "It was simply we knew that his actions, based on our experience, having operated in that area for months, were going to breed further insurgency. If you kill local citizens, they're no longer willing to help you."

"Over about a three-day period, Lieutenant Lorance … committed crimes of violence and crimes of dishonesty," said Capt. Kirk Otto, who prosecuted the case for the government, according to a transcript of the court-martial.

First, on June 30, 2012, Lorance threatened to kill an Afghan man and his family, Otto said in his opening statement.

The man, a farmer, and his child, who was about 4 years old, were at the gate to talk to the Americans about the concertina wire that was blocking access to his farm field, Otto said.

"He said, 'You move the c-wire, I'll have somebody kill you,'" Spc. James Twist, who was at the scene, testified during the court-martial.

Lorance then tried to have the Afghan turn in IEDs to the Americans, Twist testified.

"He was like, 'You bring us IEDs or we'll have the ANA kill your family,'" Twist said. "And Lieutenant Lorance was like, 'Well, if we ever come onto your land and we step on an IED or we find an IED, I'll have the ANA come and kill your family.' And he pointed to the kid and said, 'Do you want to see your child grow up?'"

The guys who actually worked with him are painting a very different story.

I'm tired, Ill read in the AM and respond.

If that's all true then **** this guy

Originally posted by KingD19
Also, looking at the Lorance story, his own soldiers under his command had nothing but bad things to say about him, and he had those guys on the bike killed despite them showing no hostility and actually trying to get away from him.

"His own soldiers, however, paint a much different picture: They claim their platoon leader was ignorant, overzealous and out of control. That he hated the Afghan people and that he had spent recent days tormenting the locals and issuing death threats."

"All these petitioners need to be shown what kind of man [Lorance] really is," said a soldier who served as a team leader in Lorance's platoon, who asked to speak on background because he is still on active duty. "This isn't a soldier that went to war and gone done wrong. This is a soldier that had a taste for blood and wanted to have that fulfilled. And he did, but in the wrong way."

Todd Fitzgerald, a former specialist and infantryman in Lorance's platoon, said he felt betrayed by the lieutenant.

"I don't believe that he really understood what he was getting into," he said.

Fitzgerald testified during Lorance's court-martial.

"Us testifying against him, it wasn't a matter of not liking him, it wasn't a matter of any type of grudge or coercion," he said. "It was simply we knew that his actions, based on our experience, having operated in that area for months, were going to breed further insurgency. If you kill local citizens, they're no longer willing to help you."

"Over about a three-day period, Lieutenant Lorance … committed crimes of violence and crimes of dishonesty," said Capt. Kirk Otto, who prosecuted the case for the government, according to a transcript of the court-martial.

First, on June 30, 2012, Lorance threatened to kill an Afghan man and his family, Otto said in his opening statement.

The man, a farmer, and his child, who was about 4 years old, were at the gate to talk to the Americans about the concertina wire that was blocking access to his farm field, Otto said.

"He said, 'You move the c-wire, I'll have somebody kill you,'" Spc. James Twist, who was at the scene, testified during the court-martial.

Lorance then tried to have the Afghan turn in IEDs to the Americans, Twist testified.

"He was like, 'You bring us IEDs or we'll have the ANA kill your family,'" Twist said. "And Lieutenant Lorance was like, 'Well, if we ever come onto your land and we step on an IED or we find an IED, I'll have the ANA come and kill your family.' And he pointed to the kid and said, 'Do you want to see your child grow up?'"

The guys who actually worked with him are painting a very different story.

Those are all lies, do you have a source?