Caedus and Starkilelr rumn a gauntlet

Originally posted by ILS
And your views however valid can be completely dismissed. TFU is a part of Legends canon, whether we like it or not. What Galen has accomplished throughout the series canonically happened, so trying to take those showings and power-scale them down is a murky task to say the least.

FOTJ Luke is clearly above Vader. Caedus is a little ways under FOTJ Luke. So for example: Luke > Vader = Caedus > Starkiller which would powerscale SK's feats to below Caedus's minimum.

The argument could be made however that: Luke > Caedus > Vader > Starkiller. Which would put Starkiller considerably below Caedus.

Feat wise however Starkiller pretty much trumps all of them even Luke. This leads to a paradox in the cannon. As a result I power scale the feats from a sensationalized game intended to sell based on crazy use of the force instead of good story telling. You can do the opposite if you want, just be consistent.

Whoops, I forgot to account for Vader's own improvement after TFU. So really SK is maybe a bit better than Dooku with the Force and sub Maul in sabers?

Originally posted by Nephthys
Whoops, I forgot to account for Vader's own improvement after TFU.

Actually I didn't include that either, good point.

Oh, even Starkiller doesn't do anything equal to Luke at his best. Star Destroyers are big, it's true. Luke has dealt with bigger things.

Originally posted by Angelalex242
Oh, even Starkiller doesn't do anything equal to Luke at his best. Star Destroyers are big, it's true. Luke has dealt with bigger things.

In which case SK goes even lower relative to Caedus.

Well stop at 5 Revan force storm combined with his higly advanced Alter Environment that can even control the lightnings.... That's mean than Revan can act at the molecular level......

So can 5 year old Jaina and Jacen if you believe Crystal Star (probably worst sw novel ever lol)

At least I think it was Crystal Star, it's been a long time.

Originally posted by Revanchiste
Well stop at 5 Revan force storm combined with his higly advanced Alter Environment that can even control the lightnings.... That's mean than Revan can act at the molecular level......

Just about every ****er in the mythos that created a holocron has some form of sub-atomic matter manipulation per Bane's narration on how to actually create and edit one

This isn't anything special in star wars

Not sure if they could make it to round 6 but they definitely stop there.

ROTS Sidious > Caedus
Exar Kun > Starkiller

Originally posted by AncientPower
Bane can't beat Caedus

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nor contend with him for long at all,

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Originally posted by ChaosTheory123
Just about every ****er in the mythos that created a holocron has some form of sub-atomic matter manipulation per Bane's narration on how to actually create and edit one

This isn't anything special in star wars

Create an holocron = advanced telekinesy feat.
I mean Revan alter evironement is massiv......

Bane can beat Caedus
If Bane beat Cadeus.. So Revan too Revan his far more superior to Bane.. ReasonN°1 the major party of Bane holocron are heavly dammage by the time !
So there is only 5% of Revan knowledge in there.

N°2 Revan olocronhavebeencreated at the end of Revan life, as a sith lord, and I doubt than Revan have the time to create his holocron during the war against the republic, and his time have passed....

That's mean than Dark Revan return ! AndI mean not the 3.0 one beeerrkhow repugnant....

Exar Kun > Starkiller true !

I actually don't find TFU exagerated.

During actual fights Marek was portrayed as a very skilled combatant using his charisma to outwit his opponents rather than a power bully.

As of those feats where he explosed a frigate or moves a falling star destroyer, I consider those either meditative concentration or just a rage moment that he can't replicate every time.

It's been shown in many novels that characters through deep prolong concentration can achieve rediculous feats. Most notable one is where Dorsk 81 pushed 14 star destroyers with help of 30 Jedi channeling power into him.

That's a little different from falling through orbit. That would require ridiculous Tutaminis especially while moving a frigate.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
That's a little different from falling through orbit. That would require ridiculous Tutaminis especially while moving a frigate.

They dies at 3.

Originally posted by Arhael
I am not aware of specifics of all feats. My opinion is based on TFU I as I looked at those feats myself.

Well, Vader IS the chosen one, so that does help. And he's a significant badass in his ownright.

What did that have to do with anything? Like at all?