Originally posted by Selenial
Lol I don't give a shit what they have to say, unless it's in published material. I care more about Neph's opinions than I do theirs, since at least he is informed on other spheres of canon.I was literally just laughing at Legend calling him "Mr Chris", though I must admit you thinking I care about Sidious remotely made me chuckle too.
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Originally posted by ChaosTheory123
This would make sense if he was actually dipping his hands into the other spheres of canonHe's not
He's only discussing characters he had a hand in molding or creating in relation to other characters he had a hand in molding or creating
As far as authority goes concerning that? He's more than qualified to do so.
Not that this was really needed, I thought this result was pretty obvious with or without his word in the first place :maybe
Yeah... outside of addressing the ****er in email (though addressing him by first name still seems too informal for that), this is incredibly awkward to say in casual conversation
Well if you want information take a dictionnary a KotOR campaign guide and read this :
http://assiste.free.fr/kotor_2/TimeLine.html
and this :
http://assiste.free.fr/kotor_2/personnage_revan.html Because I have enough to repeat myself because this is complex information and it's hard to explain !
This is pure canon !
Originally posted by Trocity
Wait, there are people who think Meetra and Traya are superior to Revan?Interesting..
Wel this man :
http://assiste.free.fr/kotor_2/personnage_revan.html Theone who wrote this think than Exile is KotOR Revan I (the one who travel on the board of the ebon hawk instead of an interidctor and who think he is a pure light side Jedi...).. I repeat think than the exile is KotOR 1 Revan equal and peharps more......
The problem is :
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DanielErickson
There is much that we obviously aren't revealing but I did want to clear up any misconceptions about what I was talking about in the interview.
Revan and Malak went into deep space and met the Sith Emperor. They were turned and sent back to prepare the way for the return of the true Sith.
Being Sith and away from the Emperor's direct influence neither Revan nor Malak followed orders exactly as they were supposed to. Then, of course, Malak betrayed Revan.
The Jedi took in Revan and returned him to the light, though as it was not a natural turn for him when he went dark, there was much they couldn' t undo and they decided to remove his memories and hopefully his taint with it. Yes, Revan's return to the light (and his gender as male) are canon.
Later Revan returned to deep space to confront what he knew was out there but how much he actually remembered and how clearly he remembered it is still a mystery, as are the events that followed. What we do know is that it took hundreds of years for the Sith to re-emerge as originally planned.
The rest is all speculation and have fun with that.
And there is a lot of thing about Darth Revan that say than he is powerfull but this is so spread and this is just overall information....
Originally posted by ChaosTheory123
This would make sense if he was actually dipping his hands into the other spheres of canonHe's not
He's only discussing characters he had a hand in molding or creating in relation to other characters he had a hand in molding or creating
As far as authority goes concerning that? He's more than qualified to do so.
Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Avellone is hardly an authority on any Revan past the one he dreamed up as a god in KotORII. He's hardly even an authority on the Exile or Kreia anymore.
Does this mean than you consider 3.0 good?
And what do you say when I say than Golden era Jedi aren't the greatest?
You will tellm me than George lucas blabla? And you don't believe me when I say than he don't ahve authority anymore since a long time?
WTF????????????
However look at obsidian work !
Arren Kae, dont la puissance est immense, prend alors le titre de Seigneur Noir, sous le nom de Darth Traya, et fédère tous les clans Siths sous sa poigne. Elle les forme Ã_ de nouveaux pouvoirs de la Force qu'elle a inventé, et les lance Ã_ l'assaut des Jedi. Ceux-ci vont être éliminés, massivement, comme lors du drame de Katharr, ou poursuivis et tués un par un, jusqu'Ã_ ce que l'Ordre Jedi soit totalement oblitéré. C'est la "Purge Jedi".
Hum it seam than Aren Kae or Darth Traya had creat some new force technics...
Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Avellone is hardly an authority on any Revan past the one he dreamed up as a god in KotORII. He's hardly even an authority on the Exile or Kreia anymore.
He's still free to offer exposition and insight into the characters as far as the game he worked on though
Which is the only context he was working from when answering Ant's question
That said, I'm really only shooting the shit in a topic that should be clear cut by feats and narrative anyway
His word certainly wasn't needed for me to conclude Revan could ragdoll Traya and Surik if he so chose to do so :maybe
Originally posted by Selenial
Huh, the fact I can speak french actually came in handy for once in my life.Source on that Revanchiste? Because that's pretty ****ing badass.
What's it actually even say?
I know **** all about french
That aside, I haven't seen the ****er post any sources other than that link, so I'm sort of doubtful valid citations exist for it :hmm
Originally posted by ares834
Elaborate on what? He didn't say Revan would need time to learn a defense as your post claimed. It merely called him a "master strategist".
Because that's what strategy is. If you need to resort to strategizing then obviously you aren't doing it on the fvcking fly..
This entire premise of this scenario is inserting Revan into the "Dark Wars" as Ant called it. Avellone responded that because Revan was a master strategist as well as having great force abilities which would get him the win. Which implies he would need to use strategy and yes that would "need time" based on the definition.
This was a nitpick for the sake of it. Or a fundamental misunderstanding of what strategy is.
Originally posted by ChaosTheory123
He's still free to offer exposition and insight into the characters as far as the game he worked on thoughWhich is the only context he was working from when answering Ant's question
That said, I'm really only shooting the shit in a topic that should be clear cut by feats and narrative anyway
His word certainly wasn't needed for me to conclude Revan could ragdoll Traya and Surik if he so chose to do so :maybe
Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Agreed, but Selenial's point is saying Revan is Revan, doesn't really mean anything. Not that different from what you said. For instance, Drew has argued that all versions of Revan could possibly compete with each other, in game/book, which he wrote both of, evidence to the contrary. None of these "authorities" are really authorities.
I agree that word of god should be scrutinized to hell, I mean look at Marvel
The entire strength system they have going with the class shit when taken literally is kind of contradicted every time a Class 100 shatters a planet :maybe
Things like Drew saying all versions of Revan can compete with eachother is also contradicted Nonsense
Revan on the Leviathan struggled with Malak where Revan on the Star Forge curbed an amped version and all.
Or I can just point to Taris!Revan and laugh too *shrugs*
That said? When word of god lacks contradiction, I generally feel its safe to consider. Like Avellone clarifying Sion possibly being able to kill the Greater Storm Beast with force powers, just with greater difficulty than Surik did. Nothing in the game particularly contradicts it, thus the clarification can fit into the greater works.
I'm going way off tangent here though, but that's part of shooting the shit I guess :lmao
I'm not Avellone, but I've read every interview he's done concerning Revan and the Echani. Compare:
"It is the way of the Echani to be able to read their opponents - to know where an opponent is going to strike before it connects, anticipate it, and then strike against them. Echani battles are fought several minutes in advance - in many ways, it is much like the game of dejarik played in the core systems. The most advanced among the Echani are able to predict the course of battles by months, and the most revered are said to be able to predict the path of wars. Only Revan ever demonstrated such a skill in war. And even as he slaughtered us, the Echani still respected him."
―Brianna (Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic: The Sith Lords)
"The Echani rely heavily on hand-to-hand combat and personal shield technology, and they had their asses handed to them by Revan during the Jedi Civil War, because, not surprisingly, there weren't many people able to face Revan across a battlefield and survive the encounter. The greatest among the Echani are said to be able to read their opponent's moves so ell they can predict the path of a battle several seconds, sometimes even minues in advance, by gauging their opponent's fighting style, heart rate, and ther movements in combat. In many ways, the Echani see combat as a rapid dejarik game, calculating feints, attacks, and dodges with a speed that few can surpass."
―Chris Avellone (Knights of the Old Republic 2 Head Writer)
"I always felt Revan was an incredible tactician, and the Echani were awed by his precog[nition] and natural skill with tactics."
―Chris Avellone (Knights of the Old Republic 2 Head Writer)
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Avellone views Battle Precognition as a excellent example of tactical and strategic prowess. If he said Revan needed actual prepreation, he would have said what he did when asked about other versus, in which he literally said, "... where Mira has had a few minutes to prepare before the fight and..."
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
"I always felt Revan was an incredible tactician, and the Echani were awed by his precog[nition] and natural skill with tactics."
―Chris Avellone (Knights of the Old Republic 2 Head Writer)
I don't want to say this is like Legend because these quotes have substance to them but in this case perhaps.
Avellone views Battle Precognition as a excellent example of tactical and strategic prowess.
No, you cannot lump in tactics and strategy as if they were one and the same. These quotes are illuminating in the sense that you have proven Revan's tactical ability but this has no bearing to anything related to strategy. A strategy is an assortment of different tactics; a longer term plan to get something accomplished. Given that Avellone said that it would take his skills as a "master strategist" rather than a "master tactician" to beat Kreia and/or the Exile then anything about his tactical abilities while impressive are irrelevant. There's entire military forums that argue the sheer difference between tactics and strategy. Your TSL quote says it all. Many Echani are able to predict within minutes, however Revan can predict within months making him special. It is that strategizing ability that is needed to defeat Kreia.
I'm not sure if troll is the right word to use when getting enlightened on the difference between what a tactic and strategy is but whatever floats your boat.
Of course you not knowing what words mean also makes a whole lot of sense. Actually looking back at this, I'm going to apologize for every interaction we've had since undoubtedly you don't know what half of it actually meant.