Originally posted by carver9Then what's the reason? 😕
Reread our post. When did I say that THAT was the reason she would turn Darkseid beams into daisies?
Anyway I want to know if we're still using Darkseid avatar here, because if it's the Darksy recently shown, he would mudstomp these teams at the same time.
Originally posted by Reflassshh
Proof of SW's powers being effective against a Trans/Skyfather being?Current Thor doesn't have mjolnir. Classic Thor would engage Darksy physically, maybe throw the hammer a few times and use the lighting. Just see his fights with Thanos, that won't be enough. 😬
This is your post, I then replied telling you what Wanda did. That ft should close this argument.
Originally posted by Reflassshh
Pre-boot Superman sealed reality with his HV. I guess Clark can beat skyfathers with it 👆
So sealing and warping reality are the same thing? Especially when we are talking about someone who can do THIS.
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/13461826/VS-Zone-007.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/13461828/VS-Zone-008.jpg.html
She also assisted in taking out the Phoenix Force when the entirety of the earth hero was unable to beat him.
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/13461524/Avengers_VS-Zone-016.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/13461528/Avengers_VS-Zone-018.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/13461531/Avengers_VS-Zone-019.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/13461535/Avengers_VS-Zone-020.jpg.html
She beats Phoenix empowered Namor.
And he did this beforehand....
Forgot to post this. Wanda also bests Magik who had the force.
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/12643579/AvX-Zone-_004.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/12643581/AvX-Zone-_006.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/12643580/AvX-Zone-_007.jpg.html
Withstand the Force and handles Phoenix Namor with ease.
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/12643598/AvX-Zone-_017.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/12643599/AvX-Zone-_018.jpg.html
Originally posted by carver9
So sealing and warping reality are the same thing? Especially when we are talking about someone who can do THIS.http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/13461826/VS-Zone-007.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/13461828/VS-Zone-008.jpg.htmlShe also assisted in taking out the Phoenix Force when the entirety of the earth hero was unable to beat him.
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/13461524/Avengers_VS-Zone-016.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/13461528/Avengers_VS-Zone-018.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/13461531/Avengers_VS-Zone-019.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/13461535/Avengers_VS-Zone-020.jpg.htmlShe beats Phoenix empowered Namor.
And he did this beforehand....
Those feats in your first two scans are nothing.
As for the assist, great. So did Cap and Wolverine.
As for your Namor scans, they're rubbish. She gets knocked out. BP specifically says it took ALL of them. Not just Wanda.
Great feats 👆
Your scan also shows how susceptible she is to telepathy. Darkseid was communicating with Constantine across universes.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Those feats in your first two scans are nothing.As for the assist, great. So did Cap and Wolverine.
As for your Namor scans, they're rubbish. She gets knocked out. BP specifically says it took ALL of them. Not just Wanda.
Great feats 👆
Your scan also shows how susceptible she is to telepathy. Darkseid was communicating with Constantine across universes.
Her almost wrecking Earth (with the aid of Hope who had her powers as well)? I think it's beastly.
So Cao and Wolverine assisted like Wanda did against the Phoenix? Niiiice.
Never said she didn't get knocked out. She is taking on a Phoenix user. Lol...they were getting worked, look at the scans. Wanda beat him but they did assist. As a punching bag. That's like me using the Parademons as a downplay of Darkseid fighting the JLA, since they were there ya know. Assisting him.
I think you also forgot she has a team here. Should I post what Thor and Hulk has done?
Originally posted by carver9
Her almost wrecking Earth (with the aid of Hope who had her powers as well)? I think it's beastly.
Almost. Darkseid, when younger, destroyed a planet, on panel. But of course, you lowball the hell out of that feat...so just be consistent, OK?
So Cao and Wolverine assisted like Wanda did against the Phoenix? Niiiice.
Never said she didn't get knocked out. She is taking on a Phoenix user. Lol...they were getting worked, look at the scans. Wanda beat him but they did assist. As a punching bag. That's like me using the Parademons as a downplay of Darkseid fighting the JLA, since they were there ya know. Assisting him.I think you also forgot she has a team here. Should I post what Thor and Hulk has done?
Neither of the teams are defeating Darkseid. You use the latest versions of characters, right? What happens when Darkseid takes control of Wanda? Basic knowledge and all that - and everyone knows how powerful Wanda is. Hulk? Thor? TP control. AMONGST other tactics - I know you will focus ONLY on the TP, and start using it as if Darkseid ONLY has TP - I am merely saying it is but ONE of his many powers.
Remember, the first time the JLA 'defeated' him, they Boomtubed him away and a Motherboxed Cyborg stopped his control. Here, IF they try to BFR him (like Wanda 'handling' Namor with ease, lol, with a BFR) he can just boom back.
BOTH DC and Marvel lose here.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85Almost. Darkseid, when younger, destroyed a planet, on panel. But of course, you lowball the hell out of that feat...so just be consistent, OK?
Have you got proof they didn't?
Neither of the teams are defeating Darkseid. You use the latest versions of characters, right? What happens when Darkseid takes control of Wanda? Basic knowledge and all that - and everyone knows how powerful Wanda is. Hulk? Thor? TP control. AMONGST other tactics - I know you will focus ONLY on the TP, and start using it as if Darkseid ONLY has TP - I am merely saying it is but ONE of his many powers.
Remember, the first time the JLA 'defeated' him, they Boomtubed him away and a Motherboxed Cyborg stopped his control. Here, IF they try to BFR him (like Wanda 'handling' Namor with ease, lol, with a BFR) he can just boom back.
BOTH DC and Marvel lose here. [/B]
Never said Darkseid destroying a planet was not impressive. People said he physically did it when we honestly don't know (we see Omega's though) since it was done off panel.
Yeah I have proof...Wanda and hope koing him and Wolverine and Cap shield before hand being ineffective.
TP could work. Who knows since both Thor and Hulk also have some amazing TP resistant fts (but they have subdued to it as well).
Originally posted by Bentley
I... Actually did. What did M.O.D.O.K. do?
He was giving her trouble, so much so that she admitted she couldn't take him on her own:
http://s7.postimg.org/y9h9rlbkr/image.jpg
http://imageshack.com/f/545/avx03n.jpg
I usually wouldn't read too much into it, but MODOK??? He's second only to Kang in loserville.
As for her later showings...well, human-level Hope managed to sucker punch her. Darkseid in his first showings with the JLA, was keeping up with the Flash - and very nearly OB'd him.
What Carver neglected to post:
http://comicnewbies.files.wordpress.com/2014/07/hope-summers-vs-scarlet-witch-3.jpg
http://comicnewbies.files.wordpress.com/2014/07/hope-summers-vs-scarlet-witch-4.jpg
She's powerful, but a glass cannon.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
He was giving her trouble, so much so that she admitted she couldn't take him on her own:http://s7.postimg.org/y9h9rlbkr/image.jpg
http://imageshack.com/f/545/avx03n.jpgI usually wouldn't read too much into it, but MODOK??? He's second only to Kang in loserville.
As for her later showings...well, human-level Hope managed to sucker punch her. Darkseid in his first showings with the JLA, was keeping up with the Flash - and very nearly OB'd him.
What Carver neglected to post:
http://comicnewbies.files.wordpress.com/2014/07/hope-summers-vs-scarlet-witch-3.jpg
http://comicnewbies.files.wordpress.com/2014/07/hope-summers-vs-scarlet-witch-4.jpgShe's powerful, but a glass cannon.
Sneak attack and she was amped off of Scarlets probability powers. Also, MODOK had help. Lots of it.
Originally posted by carver9
Sneak attack and she was amped off of Scarlets probability powers. Also, MODOK had help. Lots of it.
Heh, too predictable. I knew you were going to use the 'sneak attack' excuse.
Do you think someone like you (i.e. a human level person) can sneak attack someone like the Flash?
If no (I'm assuming you'd say no), then that's that. Because the OB were moving ALMOST as fast as Barry (to the extent he actually had to catch his breath from running away from it):
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/10/103530/2292454-2.jpg
Not to mention, of course, Superman was unable to outrun his:
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/10/103530/2292455-3.jpg
So, if someone can be snuck attack by a human, that means they are roughly comparable in reflex speeds - i.e., human level. The OB is Flash/Superman level in travelling speed.
As for being amped off Scarlet's powers...you forget that SCARLET was also there. So it's a bit of an idiotic statement, lol. What, Hope was making it more probable that she could hit Wanda, whereas Wanda's powers....weren't? Even better, it shows Wanda needs to consciously think about her powers.
What help did MODOK have?
Originally posted by Existere
Wanda's showings are all over the place. Yeah, she had trouble with MODOK, but she also KO'd entire teams of Avengers and X-Men with a wave of her hand in Children's Crusade.
Agreed 👆. She's a glass cannon, IMO. And I put it down to writers not knowing how to use her properly.
With that said, clinging to her altering reality (whilst mindcontrolled; the very example of a glass cannon) and some of the showings in AvX as an average, is not the way to go. Especially if it leads to 'turning the OB into daisies'.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Heh, too predictable. I knew you were going to use the 'sneak attack' excuse.Do you think someone like you (i.e. a human level person) can sneak attack someone like the Flash?
If no (I'm assuming you'd say no), then that's that. Because the OB were moving ALMOST as fast as Barry (to the extent he actually had to catch his breath from running away from it):
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/10/103530/2292454-2.jpg
Not to mention, of course, Superman was unable to outrun his:
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/10/103530/2292455-3.jpgSo, if someone can be snuck attack by a human, that means they are roughly comparable in reflex speeds - i.e., human level. The OB is Flash/Superman level in travelling speed.
As for being amped off Scarlet's powers...you forget that SCARLET was also there. So it's a bit of an idiotic statement, lol. What, Hope was making it more probable that she could hit Wanda, whereas Wanda's powers....weren't? Even better, it shows Wanda needs to consciously think about her powers.
What help did MODOK have?
Lol but we have Batman being able to counter said Omega's and I would love for you to prove that his speed was enhanced during the time he did it. Remember, I'm using your line of debating (Proxima rods). There are other times where his Omegas been dodged as well.
A sneak attack is a sneak attack. She snuck Wanda. That will not happen here since Wanda is staring right at her opponent. Also, Superman damaged damaged before the Omega's hit him unless you forgot about the scene where Flash lifts a near koed Superman off of the ground and ran with him.
If Scarlet wasn't expecting an attack, why prepare for it? Your argument doesn't make sense.
This is what happens when she is prepared.
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/13461816/VS-Zone-002.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/13461817/VS-Zone-003.jpg.html
Originally posted by carver9
Lol but we have Batman being able to counter said Omega's and I would love for you to prove that his speed was enhanced during the time he did it. Remember, I'm using your line of debating (Proxima rods). There are other times where his Omegas been dodged as well.
In the DCnU? Or are you allowing ALL of Darkseid's feats? That opens up the Great Darkness Saga, when he effortlessly mind controlled 3 billion Daxamites across the galaxy. But of course, that's not the latest versions of the characters, right?
A sneak attack is a sneak attack. She snuck Wanda. That will not happen here since Wanda is staring right at her opponent. Also, Superman damaged damaged before the Omega's hit him unless you forgot about the scene where Flash lifts a near koed Superman off of the ground and ran with him.
Considering you thought Aquaman's stabbing of Darkseid was fan art, and thought that Cyborg didn't use his white noise cannon in the comics, you are hardly one to talk about reminders.
In any case,
http://media.comicbookmovie.com/images/users/uploads/22178/justice-league-5-02.jpg
http://media.comicbookmovie.com/images/users/uploads/22178/justice-league-5-03.jpg
http://media.comicbookmovie.com/images/users/uploads/22178/justice-league-5-04.jpg
You can see that Superman was up, and ready for a fight ('I'm up. But not to talk'😉. The OBs were still so fast, Barry was the one who had to pull him up - but he was hardly helpless. The OBs are JUST THAT FAST.
If Scarlet wasn't expecting an attack, why prepare for it? Your argument doesn't make sense.
Of course he can't. For all of his training, he is just a human level athlete. Flash is a lightspeeder. Batman CAN, however, sucker punch human level characters (Hal Jordan, for example). How does this tie in with my argument?
Wanda is human level in her reaction speed. Whether she was expecting it or not, she is human level. IF she was faster than a human, than all the suckering in the world wouldn't work on her. You could TRY and catch her by surprise, but if she had faster reflexes than you, you'd fail.
The OBs are Flash level (whilst slower, they aren't THAT much slower - Flash had to for the first time in his life, catch his breath). Even if Wanda is staring at them, it wouldn't help her one bit.
