The JSA -Vs- The JLA

JLA stomps

Originally posted by relentless1
JLA stomps

i don't buy it, any magic user is going to be put down before an incantation can be uttered by a speedster like Flash. Hell Superman, Wonder Woman or Martian Manhunter have crazy speed too, you really think Fate can think faster that the speed of sound, or the speed of light?

now if Spectre was on the JSA my answer would change for sure

SMH

In Virtue and Vice, Fate actually did take out many of the JLA members by BFR them to the Tower of Fate. Looks like Flash was one of them.

i stand corrected, looks like Fate is a game changer

Originally posted by Golgo13
In Virtue and Vice, Fate actually did take out many of the JLA members by BFR them to the Tower of Fate. Looks like Flash was one of them.

And Superman was already koed by a sneak attack from captain marvel.

JSA wins.

Originally posted by relentless1
i don't buy it, any magic user is going to be put down before an incantation can be uttered by a speedster like Flash. Hell Superman, Wonder Woman or Martian Manhunter have crazy speed too, you really think Fate can think faster that the speed of sound, or the speed of light?

Any magic user except the one who has super strength, invulnerabily, super speed (hyper sonic), tk, tp, and energy and matter manip without so mauch as casting a spell (which is Dr Fate)

Just to show what I mean, here is Cls Fate without the Helmet of Nabu and all his magic. Just the powers he has courtesy of the alterations Nabu made to his body.

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/30145/3610382-half+helmet+dr+fte+endurance+3.jpg

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/30145/3610384-half+helmet+fate+endurance+2.jpg

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/30145/3610383-half+helmet+fate+endurance.jpg

Despite having a seven story brown stone dropped on his head and being blasted by Cyclotron who was alter described as a living hiroshima bomb all it does is slow him down.

http://s1232.photobucket.com/user/beatboks01/media/doctor%20Fate/AAanohelmetFatestrength.jpg.html
Even without his "magical powers he has super strength (around if not just below class 100), flight, invulnerability (except the need to breath, a weakness he no longer lacks with his magical Helm of Nabu on), TK and sixth sense/precog (honestly more like a danger sense though not as keen as Spidey's)

you mentioned Spectre? here is one of Fate's fights with him

http://s1232.photobucket.com/user/beatboks01/media/doctor%20Fate/fatevspectre.jpg.html

http://s1232.photobucket.com/user/beatboks01/media/doctor%20Fate/FatevSpec2.jpg.html

http://s1232.photobucket.com/user/beatboks01/media/doctor%20Fate/SpectrevFate3.jpg.html

http://s1232.photobucket.com/user/beatboks01/media/doctor%20Fate/FatevSpec4.jpg.html

http://s1232.photobucket.com/user/beatboks01/media/doctor%20Fate/FatevSpec5.jpg.html

http://s1232.photobucket.com/user/beatboks01/media/doctor%20Fate/FatevSpec6.jpg.html
He's not in Spectre's weight class but he's a lot closer than many.

Here we see him move a planet into a sun with the power of his mind (and his "energy"😉
http://s1232.photobucket.com/user/beatboks01/media/doctor%20Fate/fatemovesaplanet-1.jpg.html
http://s1232.photobucket.com/user/beatboks01/media/doctor%20Fate/fatemovesaplanet-2.jpg.html

an example of how he "control's his own atoms"
http://s1232.photobucket.com/user/beatboks01/media/doctor%20Fate/Drfateenergymanipulator-1.jpg.html
using the "atomic energy from within him".

As for Fate's magic, he doesn't have to caste spells etc to use it. The use of spells focuses power for strong attacks against powerful magic but to use magic he only has to will something to happen. No different to how GL makes constructs with his ring. That was how he taught his wife to use the power when she became Fate

http://s1232.photobucket.com/user/beatboks01/media/doctor%20Fate/birthbyfire.jpg.html

http://s1232.photobucket.com/user/beatboks01/media/doctor%20Fate/1justvisualize.jpg.html?sort=3&o=1

http://s1232.photobucket.com/user/beatboks01/media/doctor%20Fate/2visualize.jpg.html?sort=3&o=0

http://s1232.photobucket.com/user/beatboks01/media/doctor%20Fate/DoctoFatehealing.jpg.html

It's really not that hard for Cls Fate to turn the fight. He can't solo the JLA but he can certainly take on a few at once.

Originally posted by beatboks
Just to show what I mean, here is Cls Fate without the Helmet of Nabu and all his magic. Just the powers he has courtesy of the alterations Nabu made to his body.

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/30145/3610382-half+helmet+dr+fte+endurance+3.jpg

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/30145/3610384-half+helmet+fate+endurance+2.jpg

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/30145/3610383-half+helmet+fate+endurance.jpg

Despite having a seven story brown stone dropped on his head and being blasted by Cyclotron who was alter described as a living hiroshima bomb all it does is slow him down.

http://s1232.photobucket.com/user/beatboks01/media/doctor%20Fate/AAanohelmetFatestrength.jpg.html
Even without his "magical powers he has super strength (around if not just below class 100), flight, invulnerability (except the need to breath, a weakness he no longer lacks with his magical Helm of Nabu on), TK and sixth sense/precog (honestly more like a danger sense though not as keen as Spidey's)

you mentioned Spectre? here is one of Fate's fights with him

http://s1232.photobucket.com/user/beatboks01/media/doctor%20Fate/fatevspectre.jpg.html

http://s1232.photobucket.com/user/beatboks01/media/doctor%20Fate/FatevSpec2.jpg.html

http://s1232.photobucket.com/user/beatboks01/media/doctor%20Fate/SpectrevFate3.jpg.html

http://s1232.photobucket.com/user/beatboks01/media/doctor%20Fate/FatevSpec4.jpg.html

http://s1232.photobucket.com/user/beatboks01/media/doctor%20Fate/FatevSpec5.jpg.html

http://s1232.photobucket.com/user/beatboks01/media/doctor%20Fate/FatevSpec6.jpg.html
He's not in Spectre's weight class but he's a lot closer than many.

Here we see him move a planet into a sun with the power of his mind (and his "energy"😉
http://s1232.photobucket.com/user/beatboks01/media/doctor%20Fate/fatemovesaplanet-1.jpg.html
http://s1232.photobucket.com/user/beatboks01/media/doctor%20Fate/fatemovesaplanet-2.jpg.html

an example of how he "control's his own atoms"
http://s1232.photobucket.com/user/beatboks01/media/doctor%20Fate/Drfateenergymanipulator-1.jpg.html
using the "atomic energy from within him".

As for Fate's magic, he doesn't have to caste spells etc to use it. The use of spells focuses power for strong attacks against powerful magic but to use magic he only has to will something to happen. No different to how GL makes constructs with his ring. That was how he taught his wife to use the power when she became Fate

http://s1232.photobucket.com/user/beatboks01/media/doctor%20Fate/birthbyfire.jpg.html

http://s1232.photobucket.com/user/beatboks01/media/doctor%20Fate/1justvisualize.jpg.html?sort=3&o=1

http://s1232.photobucket.com/user/beatboks01/media/doctor%20Fate/2visualize.jpg.html?sort=3&o=0

http://s1232.photobucket.com/user/beatboks01/media/doctor%20Fate/DoctoFatehealing.jpg.html

It's really not that hard for Cls Fate to turn the fight. He can't solo the JLA but he can certainly take on a few at once.

Are we forgetting that when Alan went rogue, he was taking it to both of these teams? I think there's just too much of a raw power gap, regardless of the incarnation of Fate we're using (which we don't technically know, since the OP is ambiguous on the matter). Obviously it's not a stomp either way, but the only known trump card the JLA has is with Flash, which may also be mitigated if Jay has access to the speed force.

Originally posted by Digi
Are we forgetting that when Alan went rogue, he was taking it to both of these teams? I think there's just too much of a raw power gap, regardless of the incarnation of Fate we're using (which we don't technically know, since the OP is ambiguous on the matter). Obviously it's not a stomp either way, but the only known trump card the JLA has is with Flash, which may also be mitigated if Jay has access to the speed force.

Superman would wreck Alan in any kind of forum fight.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Superman would wreck Alan in any kind of forum fight.

You'll be surprised.

Originally posted by krisblaze
Make this fight.

You'll be surprised.

And magic is auto win against Superman obviously. Last time I argued against this thread, it basically boiled to "Alan has magic, he wins".

Slowly but surely turning into another Superman vs thread.

Originally posted by carver9
Slowly but surely turning into another Superman vs thread.

Heh.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Are we forgetting that Alan was amped by a star heart meteor in Brightest Day?

Superman would wreck Alan in any kind of forum fight.

Wait, he was? I thought he just gave in to the Starheart's evil.

Anyway, I disagree on the latter, but Alan certainly has fewer high-end feats. I just think his highest are > most or all HHs. But there's a case to be made, I suppose.

Originally posted by Digi
Heh.

Anyway, I disagree on the latter, but Alan certainly has fewer high-end feats. I just think his highest are > most or all HHs. But there's a case to be made, I suppose.

Originally posted by abhilegend
This isn't Kent Nelson Fate here.

Then what is meant by Cls? I thought that meant classic.