Originally posted by abhilegend
You don't know what you are talking about.
Well, Alan is a conduit for the Starheart energy, so you may have to clarify your point here. He's always had its full potential within his call, but he has to keep it in check via his willpower. This is referenced several times throughout the JSA's run. In fact, in his final showing before the Flashpoint reboot, he specifically unleashes the full Starheart power again...something he was scared to do, because he didn't want to become evil again. But Mr. Terrific's belief in him allowed him to risk it.
I get that it's not his default. But once unleashed, he's an established team-wrecker level. I don't want to make this about Alan vs. Superman, but I'm more interested in how you view Alan's power set.
Originally posted by Digi
Well, Alan is a conduit for the Starheart energy, so you may have to clarify your point here. He's always had its full potential within his call, but he has to keep it in check via his willpower. This is referenced several times throughout the JSA's run. In fact, in his final showing before the Flashpoint reboot, he specifically unleashes the full Starheart power again...something he was scared to do, because he didn't want to become evil again. But Mr. Terrific's belief in him allowed him to risk it.I get that it's not his default. But once unleashed, he's an established team-wrecker level. I don't want to make this about Alan vs. Superman, but I'm more interested in how you view Alan's power set.
Alan only channels a small part of starheart, he almost never had the full power of it.
That doesn't jive with what I remember, like Mordru observing that a mortal was channeling the Starheart, and Alan's own words in the JSA's final Pre-FP arc. I'll go back and re-read some stuff at some point to see the details, though. I don't have any reason not to take you at your word, and most KMC members these days are more meticulous readers than I am when it comes to this stuff. It's just not what I remember, so now I'm curious.
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Originally posted by Digi
That doesn't jive with what I remember, like Mordru observing that a mortal was channeling the Starheart, and Alan's own words in the JSA's final Pre-FP arc. I'll go back and re-read some stuff at some point to see the details, though. I don't have any reason not to take you at your word, and most KMC members these days are more meticulous readers than I am when it comes to this stuff. It's just not what I remember, so now I'm curious.srug
And in that story, Alan was suppressing the amp given by starheart as it would've killed him if he stopped suppressing it.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Mordru said he was channeling starheart not that he had the full starheart.And in that story, Alan was suppressing the amp given by starheart as it would've killed him if he stopped suppressing it.
Agreed on the Mordru thing, but he also never says "part of the Starheart" or something to that affect. One would assume that, in this context, "the Starheart" means "the Starheart." /srug Same with the part where he was afraid it might kill him. Presumably any amp was gone by that point, yeah? Then why did he still have access to the entirety of the Starheart?
It's just...even if the meteor thing is an amp, when was it stated he's only channeling part of the Starheart before that time?
Because saying a phrase like "the amp given by Starheart..." seems almost impossible to me, because his power is the Starheart. And it always was in the post-COIE DC. Maybe it was an amp to its influence over him, but the nature of the power never changed iirc.
I do need to re-read the arc now when he goes rogue. Too many tie-ins these days. It just seems like we're having an odd conversation.
Originally posted by Digi
Agreed on the Mordru thing, but he also never says "part of the Starheart" or something to that affect. One would assume that, in this context, "the Starheart" means "the Starheart." /srug Same with the part where he was afraid it might kill him. Presumably any amp was gone by that point, yeah? Then why did he still have access to the entirety of the Starheart?It's just...even if the meteor thing is an amp, when was it stated he's only channeling part of the Starheart before that time?
Because saying a phrase like "the amp given by Starheart..." seems almost impossible to me, because his power is the Starheart. And it always was in the post-COIE DC. Maybe it was an amp to its influence over him, but the nature of the power never changed iirc.
I do need to re-read the arc now when he goes rogue. Too many tie-ins these days. It just seems like we're having an odd conversation.
In the first fight with Mordru in JSA Alan corrects Mmordru and says "green Flame" when Mordru called it the starheart. When he became Sentinel and no longer needed a ring it was specifically the "green Flame" that was his power source.
It's a subtle but very definite distinction. The Green Flame was the "good" magic that was captured with the evil magic when the Guardians were trying to make the universe clock like. Knowing the evil would one ay escape it broke itself free and became the meteor that was the origin for the creation of Alan's power battery.
The whole reconned reason (and there were several retcons this being the last) that Alan had a weakness to wood was that the power of the green flame came from life and Wood was part of life. Supposedly Alan's power couldn't be used against life. (another retcon had to do with a GL who over stepped his bounds and his power battery was altered but this was pre starheart retcon).
In the Heart of Darkness mini, it was shown he was also linked to the starheart, and because of it the starheart could cut him off from his power and make him physical again. When Mordru stripped teh power from him in JSA that was the green flame "pulled from his chest 9and again we saw his body changing back from energy to physical highlighted by Shade pointing it out).
His own personal power was only ever the green flame 9a small percentage of the overall starheart) with the ability to tap more. the only times we ever see him do so however are when he was highly emotional ( his wifes soul in hell in underworld unleashed, his son turned dark and his feeling of responsibility, his team ataes beleived dead at the hands of Mordru etc)