Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Danger - one time, yes. I can name other instances, but on average he's completely useless.Vs Simon - when?
He also did good against Classic Sabertooth and iirc, he beat Spiral in a fight as well and lifted her ship during the end. Don't think you are giving credit where credit is due. Beast is a monster when he wants to be.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Pre-training Wonderman. Still impressive, I admit.Red zone? Creed was running a gauntlet there.
But Beast had the advantage that entire fight and was trying to get through to him instead of taking Sabertooth out. When Sabertooth got the stab in, that's when the fight ended. Same with Wolvy. Beast had the edge in that fight as well, slammed into the truck, etc, until Wolverine played his friend card which ended with a slash across the chest. Not saying that Beast could beat any of these two but he wasn't a chump in those fights either.
By the way, I'm talking about this Sabertooth and Beast fight.
Don't want to post all of it but Beast had the edge that entire fight until the end.
Originally posted by carver9
Can't see Cap doing this...This...
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/7/75188/2193856-massivestrength.jpg
This is the only scan i see, but this was from a storyline when Beast was getting exponentially stronger AND losing his mental faculties.
Wrapped up by him becoming blue and furry again.
Originally posted by Branlor SwiftSo if you are counting top feats then Spidey is stronger than Rhino and other characters we know are stronger than Spidey. I don't have a problem with this as long as we are consistent.
Are people seriously trying to play a feat war between Beast and Cap? That seems unwise to me. I'd stick to bio power levels if I were defending Beast tbh.
If you want to go by averages then Cap on average is about a 3-5 tonner. Beast on average is about a 10-15 tonner.
Spidey is about a 15 tonner too but definitely has a lot of higher feats.
Originally posted by carver9
Lol...I already posted scans in this thread proving he isn't. I forgot I was suppose to post the Wolverine fight. One sec.
You posted way too few.
Wonderman showing is nice, but it happened before Simon's training. Before he became a competent fighter. Hank, on the other hand, had plenty of experience from being a member of X-Men and Avengers.
Red Zone should not be counted. Creed was on the run, every X-Man got his or hers lick in, still didn't stop him.
Originally posted by carver9
I forgot I was suppose to post the Wolverine fight. One sec.
I bet you didn't read The Best There Is.
Logan stated in that series that the only time Hank could dream of taking him was when Cassandra Nova mindraped him. And EVEN THEN he defended himself by stabbing Beast [off-panel] and making him flee 😬
Don't play a game you can't win, carver.
I actually would love Beast to be formidable, because that'd make Logan's showings vs. him so much better 😛 😛 😛
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
You posted way too few.Wonderman showing is nice, but it happened before Simon's training. Before he became a competent fighter. Hank, on the other hand, had plenty of experience from being a member of X-Men and Avengers.
Red Zone should not be counted. Creed was on the run, every X-Man got his or hers lick in, still didn't stop him.
Beast still beat Wonderman though. This same Wonderman gave Thor a run in the beginning. It counts.
Creed was trying to kill Beast and almost succeeded (due to CIS because Beast was working him). Looking at that fight, Beast had the advantage. Sabertooth couldn't even tag him. Its not like he was running during their fight. Hell, he charged Hank off of a roof.